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  • The Kid 24
    It's Show Time!
    • Jan 2007
    • 14768

    #271
    Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

    Originally posted by countryboy
    I cannot answer
    Damn you, lol!

    Now my mind is racing again! Did they fix bullpen logic and not mention it because nobody watching the stream would care about it as it's not a back of the back feature??
    Milwaukee Brewers | Green Bay Packers | North Carolina Tar Heels | Wisconsin Badgers

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    • TheBleedingRed21
      Game Dev
      • Oct 2010
      • 5071

      #272
      Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

      Originally posted by Cycloniac
      Hey countryboy,

      Regarding the NDA, I'm not asking for details but

      Can you say, yes or no, if there's any additional franchise details that weren't shared?

      If it's no, that's fine. Just don't want to get hopes up.
      NDA's are very tightly worded and anything he does to try and skirt around it would be putting any future inclusion into the game in jeopardy.

      It is also hard when you tell people you have early access but under NDA because everything you say will be seen and taken out of context most times. Reading his earlier posts, it did sound like there was more to the stream than free agency for example, but that was us reading it as such so is what it is there. It's best to not hint toward anything when you know something you cannot speak on, but that can be hard to do as well when trying to interact with everyone.
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      • bcruise
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2004
        • 23274

        #273
        Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

        Originally posted by TheBleedingRed21
        NDA's are very tightly worded and anything he does to try and skirt around it would be putting any future inclusion into the game in jeopardy.

        It is also hard when you tell people you have early access but under NDA because everything you say will be seen and taken out of context most times. Reading his earlier posts, it did sound like there was more to the stream than free agency for example, but that was us reading it as such so is what it is there. It's best to not hint toward anything when you know something you cannot speak on, but that can be hard to do as well when trying to interact with everyone.
        [Everyone who ever attended one of these things liked this post]

        It's a fine line to walk, for sure. I know that from personal experience (MLB '10)

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        • tessl
          All Star
          • Apr 2007
          • 5685

          #274
          Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

          Originally posted by countryboy
          This is a different video than the one shown previously. Surprise surprise...

          And in this video he has given up 6 runs thru those innings which it doesn't matter the stamina rating of the pitcher, this is the tipping point for the manager to pull him.

          Keep trying
          From game's strategy guide...

          As a starter gets tired and loses energy, he loses accuracy at first and then later starts to also lose general pitching ability. The affect is minor from 100% to 25% energy, rapidly increases from 25% to 0%...

          You still don't believe stamina rating matters? The draft video you posted identified 5 first round draft picks with stamina too low to be an effective SP by the time they make it to MLB because they are rookies with poor stamina and stamina always decreases.

          I explained it. I posted videos. I don't know how else to explain it. You have access to the developers and are in a unique position to contribute.

          Those videos are manage mode. CPU vs CPU. Default sliders. No user input skewing results..

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          • Cycloniac
            Man, myth, legend.
            • May 2009
            • 6505

            #275
            Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

            Originally posted by countryboy
            I cannot answer
            Can you share when the NDA is up so I can bug you with more questions

            Do they typically last until the game is released?

            I've signed NDAs, but not for video games, so not as familiar
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            • MiracleMet718
              Pro
              • Apr 2016
              • 2087

              #276
              Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

              Originally posted by tessl
              You said you wanted to see 3 or 4 innings of a drafted player with low stamina. That's what I showed.

              Here. Do you now understand what I was saying about future years in franchise? Apparently in the sim world there are too many complete games which is the opposite of what happens in manage mode and explains why the devs don't see a problem with stamina declining for starting pitchers with already too low stamina.



              Perhaps they have fixed the problem. In their franchise video they did say at the very end that they have changed some things with scouting and the draft. I'll buy the game this year and I guess I'll find out.
              While I slightly agree about the stamina needing to be a tick higher, there are a few things at play here that I think you are overlooking that might help explain why you are seeing these results.

              1) the pitcher you are using is very lowly rated for an MLB player (I believe he was shown as 55 overall in other videos)

              2) in this video your pitcher got absolutely rocked to the tune of 6 runs, 2 HRs, 10 hits, 1 walk, and only 2 Ks.

              3) A pitcher’s stamina is not just based on pitches thrown, it’s also based on the result/confidence to simulate working harder. So when you give up hits or hard contact, walk batters, get behind in counts, and in general pitch with lower confidence, your stamina decreases faster.

              On the other end of the spectrum, when you pitch well and get soft contact, easy outs, strikeouts, and pitch with higher confidence, your stamina bar doesn’t decrease as fast. This is why on your first video where your same pitcher is rolling and pitching well, his stamina was still around 70-75% after 3 innings while in this video he was struggling and working harder so his stamina dropped down to 35% in 3 innings.

              Again I think stamina can be tweaked, but I hope this explained the difference in why you were seeing different results in both videos and how stamina isn’t just impacted by pitches thrown.

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              • Cod
                MVP
                • May 2007
                • 2718

                #277
                Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

                Originally posted by Cycloniac
                Do they typically last until the game is released?
                Typically, video game related NDAs last until the review embargo or game release (whichever comes first). Experience from my days working in game development as a software engineer.

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                • decga
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 2469

                  #278
                  Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

                  The one thing I noticed when the Devs were attempting to signed FA's it looks like "the player or club option" was non insistence...

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                  • gr18
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 2315

                    #279
                    Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

                    Originally posted by decga
                    The one thing I noticed when the Devs were attempting to signed FA's it looks like "the player or club option" was non insistence...
                    They took the options out and front and backloading contracts also from a video I saw.No idea why.

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                    • tessl
                      All Star
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 5685

                      #280
                      Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

                      Originally posted by MiracleMet718
                      While I slightly agree about the stamina needing to be a tick higher, there are a few things at play here that I think you are overlooking that might help explain why you are seeing these results.

                      1) the pitcher you are using is very lowly rated for an MLB player (I believe he was shown as 55 overall in other videos)

                      2) in this video your pitcher got absolutely rocked to the tune of 6 runs, 2 HRs, 10 hits, 1 walk, and only 2 Ks.

                      3) A pitcher’s stamina is not just based on pitches thrown, it’s also based on the result/confidence to simulate working harder. So when you give up hits or hard contact, walk batters, get behind in counts, and in general pitch with lower confidence, your stamina decreases faster.

                      On the other end of the spectrum, when you pitch well and get soft contact, easy outs, strikeouts, and pitch with higher confidence, your stamina bar doesn’t decrease as fast. This is why on your first video where your same pitcher is rolling and pitching well, his stamina was still around 70-75% after 3 innings while in this video he was struggling and working harder so his stamina dropped down to 35% in 3 innings.

                      Again I think stamina can be tweaked, but I hope this explained the difference in why you were seeing different results in both videos and how stamina isn’t just impacted by pitches thrown.
                      Stamina is based upon pitches thrown. Watch the draft videos I and countryboy posted. In both videos a SP with 50's stamina was drafted in the first round. Others with 60's stamina were drafted in the first round. Stamina always declines and in the years it will take for them to develop into MLB level pitchers - if they every do - stamina will be so low they are in the stamina penalty area by the 4th inning if not sooner. I've played thousands of games in manage mode since they added the stamina penalty years ago. It's a reality.

                      In my video I showed a team with 4 draft picks drafting 4 relief pitchers. The devs in their video said they had seen the community feedback and were lowering the value of RP in the draft. That's a small but needed improvement. I also advocated to changes to scouting the the devs said they have done that.

                      With only 6 or 7 rounds in the draft which is far fewer players than IRL my point is they can't afford to have this level of failure with draft picks. That's my only point in pointing out flaws. They need to fix the draft. Perhaps they have.

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                      • Stucatz
                        Rookie
                        • Jun 2022
                        • 72

                        #281
                        Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

                        For the top 150 free agents its the new FA system outside of the top 150 free agents contracts revert back to the old system from years past. So options front load /backload are still there just not to the top 150 FA in any given year

                        Regarding Progression regression
                        There is not a 10 year mark
                        There is a range of prime ages and a die roll determines trajectory.
                        Performance has an impact but after the age of 31 father time creeps in
                        We've also made adjustments to potentials in the past system took all 30 year old players and adjusted the potentials to match the overall
                        We changed that so the potential stays at what there designed to have that slows regression

                        All info on YouTube via theantortiz
                        Last edited by Stucatz; 02-28-2025, 07:22 PM.

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                        • LegendKillerOne
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2019
                          • 1764

                          #282
                          Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

                          Maybe I missed this have they said anything about what ballpark they will have the A's using in game as the home park?
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                          • KB2424
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2024
                            • 54

                            #283
                            Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

                            Did they remove the front/backloaded contracts…if so did they say why or did I get bad info on in it being removed

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                            • Stucatz
                              Rookie
                              • Jun 2022
                              • 72

                              #284
                              Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

                              Originally posted by KB2424
                              Did they remove the front/backloaded contracts…if so did they say why or did I get bad info on in it being removed
                              Top 150 is there new system without options frontload backload.

                              Outside the top 150 FA you use the old system that has it

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                              • gr18
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 2315

                                #285
                                Re: MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

                                Originally posted by KB2424
                                Did they remove the front/backloaded contracts…if so did they say why or did I get bad info on in it being removed
                                The youtube video I saw was mostly positive for the game and seemed credible and mentioned it being removed.No info as to why though.

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