MLB The Show 25 Deep Dive Franchise Front Office Experience

[Armor and Sword]

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Did they remove the front/backloaded contracts…if so did they say why or did I get bad info on in it being removed

For the new top 150 free agents they did. For the rest it’s still in and when you do contract extensions in Spring Training and July it’s still in.

No reason or mention of why it was removed.

[bronxbombers21325]

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I hope they can manage to get the start times right for franchise this year. It’s frustrating and immersion breaking when some teams have mostly day games.

[SportsGamer89]

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Damn you, lol!

Now my mind is racing again! Did they fix bullpen logic and not mention it because nobody watching the stream would care about it as it's not a back of the back feature??

There’s nothing else.


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[AUTiger1]

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I like what I'm hearing about the improved logic in free agent signing. But I do wonder, they made it a point to mention that the big market teams like the Yankees, Mets and Dodgers would be the ones to drive the market and that's realistic. But one of the cool things about video games is that you're supposed to be able to create your own universe. If I want to turn the Pirates into a spending juggernaut it sounds like I won't be able to. That would be a disappointment given the Rays are my favorite AL team and a few years ago they actually made a big time offer to Freddie Freeman.

[gr18]

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I like what I'm hearing about the improved logic in free agent signing. But I do wonder, they made it a point to mention that the big market teams like the Yankees, Mets and Dodgers would be the ones to drive the market and that's realistic. But one of the cool things about video games is that you're supposed to be able to create your own universe. If I want to turn the Pirates into a spending juggernaut it sounds like I won't be able to. That would be a disappointment given the Rays are my favorite AL team and a few years ago they actually made a big time offer to Freddie Freeman.

I did see a video where the Brewers signed Dylan Cease to a 5 yr.145 mil.contract which was encouraging for smaller market teams and also made me snicker a little because other than Yelich the money has always been very tight and even he took a sizeable discount to stay at the time.

[MiracleMet718]

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Stamina is based upon pitches thrown. Watch the draft videos I and countryboy posted. In both videos a SP with 50's stamina was drafted in the first round. Others with 60's stamina were drafted in the first round. Stamina always declines and in the years it will take for them to develop into MLB level pitchers - if they every do - stamina will be so low they are in the stamina penalty area by the 4th inning if not sooner. I've played thousands of games in manage mode since they added the stamina penalty years ago. It's a reality.

In my video I showed a team with 4 draft picks drafting 4 relief pitchers. The devs in their video said they had seen the community feedback and were lowering the value of RP in the draft. That's a small but needed improvement. I also advocated to changes to scouting the the devs said they have done that.

With only 6 or 7 rounds in the draft which is far fewer players than IRL my point is they can't afford to have this level of failure with draft picks. That's my only point in pointing out flaws. They need to fix the draft. Perhaps they have.

It’s not just pitches thrown though, that’s my point. 50 stamina is still too low in my opinion and I think all starters should be over 60/65, but your stamina decreases at a rate based on:

Pitches Thrown
Hits Given Up
Hard/Soft contact (either hits or outs)
Runners on base
Runs given up
Number or walks
Number of strikeouts
Pitcher confidence (which changes based on all of the above minus pitchers thrown)

This has been a thing with pitching in the show for years as it simulates pitchers working either hard or easy innings based on the above. In regard to manage mode, if you have pitchers in the MLB under high 60s/low 70s overall, it usually means their per/9 stats are pretty low and it compounds the low stamina because they usually get hit around a lot.

As I mentioned, in your first video, your 55 overall rated pitcher got through the 3rd and had around 75% stamina left. In the latest video, your pitcher gave up 6 runs in an inning and worked hard, so their stamina took an additional hit on top of just the pitches thrown.

Definitely needs some tweaking and agree that I hope the draft fixes for RP/CP makes it better for getting SPs, but it’s not as drastic as you would think.

[MiracleMet718]

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For the new top 150 free agents they did. For the rest it’s still in and when you do contract extensions in Spring Training and July it’s still in.

No reason or mention of why it was removed.

Probably couldn’t get it to work right with the changes they made so rather than pull the plug on it or release it with issues, they pulled it. It’s unfortunate but I honestly prefer the changes they made anyway and would look to see if they can add it back next year.

[LastActionHero]

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Yes - if I recall right, this was a fog game, overcast

Well the interesting thing is is that you actually see some shadows of the stadium (behind the pitcher) so the sun is shining somewhat through.



What’s also interesting, while the shadows of the flags are (unfortunately) still not moving in real time they do change every at bat when the shadows change. So basically they take a static shot of how the flags are positioned after every thrown ball. See the difference.

[Armor and Sword]

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Probably couldn’t get it to work right with the changes they made so rather than pull the plug on it or release it with issues, they pulled it. It’s unfortunate but I honestly prefer the changes they made anyway and would look to see if they can add it back next year.

I am assuming the same thing as well.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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It’s not just pitches thrown though, that’s my point. 50 stamina is still too low in my opinion and I think all starters should be over 60/65, but your stamina decreases at a rate based on:

Pitches Thrown
Hits Given Up
Hard/Soft contact (either hits or outs)
Runners on base
Runs given up
Number or walks
Number of strikeouts
Pitcher confidence (which changes based on all of the above minus pitchers thrown)

Excellent post, good stuff. One thing I would add, stamina will also be depleted quicker if you are throwing with maximum strength every pitch as opposed to throwing with minimum strength. Of course, you obviously wouldn't see this effect in MOM tho.

What I like to do is throw the vast majority of four seam pitches with maximum velocity/strength but with a two-seamer I throw about a third with maximum strength and a third with minimum strength/velocity because throwing with minimum creates maximum break/movement on the two-seamer (or any pitch with movement). The last third of two-seamer pitches I throw are in the middle strength/velocity range. All of this applies to meter throwing . I have zero idea how it works with pulse pitching or classic or the other type pitching modes.

[TuffJuff]

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Stamina is based upon pitches thrown. Watch the draft videos I and countryboy posted. In both videos a SP with 50's stamina was drafted in the first round. Others with 60's stamina were drafted in the first round. Stamina always declines and in the years it will take for them to develop into MLB level pitchers - if they every do - stamina will be so low they are in the stamina penalty area by the 4th inning if not sooner. I've played thousands of games in manage mode since they added the stamina penalty years ago. It's a reality.

In my video I showed a team with 4 draft picks drafting 4 relief pitchers. The devs in their video said they had seen the community feedback and were lowering the value of RP in the draft. That's a small but needed improvement. I also advocated to changes to scouting the the devs said they have done that.

With only 6 or 7 rounds in the draft which is far fewer players than IRL my point is they can't afford to have this level of failure with draft picks. That's my only point in pointing out flaws. They need to fix the draft. Perhaps they have.

Honestly if we want to be realistic there shouldn’t even be RP or CP in the draft. There is pretty much no such thing as a relief pitcher prospect or relief pitcher draft pick. Nearly all MLB bullpen guys are just failed starting prospects

[bronxbombers21325]

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A follow up on my previous comment that I hoped they get the start times correct this year. I’m not sure anyone cares about this as much as I do, but for anyone that does this is what I found from watching the premier again out of sheer boredom.

During the Red Sox Orioles games, you could see the games in progress and that were final on the out of town scoreboard when the ball his hit out there. The TB Toronto game was already final, and there were a couple other games that were in the 7th. Based on the records of the teams that were shown, and cross referencing the schedules, that game would have been on a Friday. The games that were in progress, and the one that was final would have been all night games, and should have not been in the 7th or final at that time.

I know it’s still a WIP and doesn’t mean they’ll be wrong on release, but given how this issue seems to sneak into games some how it gives me a little bit of pause. If this is something that isn’t right it’s honestly something that would prevent me from buying the game. Like I said that completely breaks my immersion when a team has an excessive amount of day games or early start times. So I’m a little hesitant at the moment.

[Jeffrey Smith]

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It’s not just pitches thrown though, that’s my point. 50 stamina is still too low in my opinion and I think all starters should be over 60/65, but your stamina decreases at a rate based on:

Pitches Thrown
Hits Given Up
Hard/Soft contact (either hits or outs)
Runners on base
Runs given up
Number or walks
Number of strikeouts
Pitcher confidence (which changes based on all of the above minus pitchers thrown)

This has been a thing with pitching in the show for years as it simulates pitchers working either hard or easy innings based on the above. In regard to manage mode, if you have pitchers in the MLB under high 60s/low 70s overall, it usually means their per/9 stats are pretty low and it compounds the low stamina because they usually get hit around a lot.

As I mentioned, in your first video, your 55 overall rated pitcher got through the 3rd and had around 75% stamina left. In the latest video, your pitcher gave up 6 runs in an inning and worked hard, so their stamina took an additional hit on top of just the pitches thrown.

Definitely needs some tweaking and agree that I hope the draft fixes for RP/CP makes it better for getting SPs, but it’s not as drastic as you would think.

Doesn’t max effort thrown pitches also affect stamina? Well in games played anyway.

[invincible]

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There’s nothing else.


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Correct. The NDA is in place so people have questions in their minds, hope things will be included and buy the game. Marketing 101. Don't give all the details if you don't have to, especially if it's going to adversely affect sales.

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[MiracleMet718]

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Doesn’t max effort thrown pitches also affect stamina? Well in games played anyway.

Yes if you use meter. For pinpoint or classic, I think it balances it out since there isn’t a “power” meter for them. But if it’s manage mode then it doesn’t impact it.