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  • PsychoBulk
    Hoping for change...
    • May 2006
    • 4191

    #826
    Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

    LOL, ok.

    Every person (of the millions who have bought this game) MUST have experienced it or they are lying.

    Ok fella, ok.

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    • BIG17EASY
      Rookie
      • Nov 2006
      • 245

      #827
      Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

      Originally posted by PsychoBulk
      Are they?
      I haven't, although I've only played 6-7 games in my Rays franchise and I think only one was there a four-run lead. I trailed 4-0 against the White Sox and immediately scored four myself, then four more the following inning and went on to win 9-4. Didn't seem like anything crazy to me, but like I said, I've only played a handful of games.

      And this is all with the CPU Comeback set to off.

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      • magoo1967
        Pro
        • Mar 2004
        • 784

        #828
        Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

        Originally posted by steelcurtain311
        Every single person I've talked to who has played the game has experienced it. Which leads me to believe if you say you haven't, you're just simply lying.
        Uh-oh...come-on guys, no reason for calling people crazy or liars. I am definitely experiencing these problems and I'm pretty sure I'm not crazy (then again I probably wouldn't know it if I were). If others say they are not seeing it, I don't think they are lying. It could simply be something in the settings that some people are using and others aren't that triggers the nonsense. As far as I'm concerned, I feel I have tried to figure it out to the point of exhaustion. I feel (just a personal opinion here) absolutely 100% sure that something screwy is going on with this year's AI at times, and frankly don't give a rat's behind if others disagree with me. I played last year's version for 4 hours yesterday and it was a completely different experience (in a great way), so it looks like for me the solution is to try and update '08's rosters as much as possible. I'm not happy about it, and I will still give '09 a spin once in a while, but I just want to enjoy playing again and that just simply isn't happening very often with this year's game. I wish that wasn't the case, but it just simply IS for me.
        "There are only two seasons—winter and baseball." - Bill Veeck

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        • brunnoce
          MVP
          • Mar 2005
          • 4133

          #829
          Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

          Originally posted by magoo1967
          Uh-oh...come-on guys, no reason for calling people crazy or liars. I am definitely experiencing these problems and I'm pretty sure I'm not crazy (then again I probably wouldn't know it if I were). If others say they are not seeing it, I don't think they are lying. It could simply be something in the settings that some people are using and others aren't that triggers the nonsense. As far as I'm concerned, I feel I have tried to figure it out to the point of exhaustion. I feel (just a personal opinion here) absolutely 100% sure that something screwy is going on with this year's AI at times, and frankly don't give a rat's behind if others disagree with me. I played last year's version for 4 hours yesterday and it was a completely different experience (in a great way), so it looks like for me the solution is to try and update '08's rosters as much as possible. I'm not happy about it, and I will still give '09 a spin once in a while, but I just want to enjoy playing again and that just simply isn't happening very often with this year's game. I wish that wasn't the case, but it just simply IS for me.
          ditto!
          well said....
          i was seeing this too, until i turned comeback ON...but thats only my experience..not saying the same will happen to joe , james or jim...
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          PSN: brunnoce
          Thanx Knight165

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          • magoo1967
            Pro
            • Mar 2004
            • 784

            #830
            Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

            Originally posted by brunnoce
            ditto!
            well said....
            i was seeing this too, until i turned comeback ON...but thats only my experience..not saying the same will happen to joe , james or jim...
            You know Brunnoce, after I started reading this thread I tried it with it ON and I did believe I was seeing a difference with the AI. Then I kept seeing the post's by the developers saying that this was just an anomaly and it was not possible, and that the CPU actually does receive a slight boost with it ON and I didn't like the idea of that at all so I started playing with it OFF again. To be honest, after another week of playing games littered with an over abundance of the "BS" AI (BS = Bionic Syndrome), I haven't tried playing with it ON again. I had to take a break from playing MLB '09 the last couple of days because all inanimate objects in my immediate surroundings were in imminent danger (damn, that was a string of fancy words that start with the letter i). I will have to give it a try with the setting ON again, which makes sense since this is the thread I'm posting in (duh).
            Last edited by magoo1967; 04-03-2009, 09:04 AM. Reason: I used the word again twice in the same sentance...again
            "There are only two seasons—winter and baseball." - Bill Veeck

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            • brunnoce
              MVP
              • Mar 2005
              • 4133

              #831
              Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

              Originally posted by magoo1967
              You know Brunnoce, after I started reading this thread I tried it with it ON and I did believe I was seeing a difference with the AI. Then I kept seeing the post's by the developers saying that this was just an anomaly and it was not possible, and that the CPU actually does receive a slight boost with it ON and I didn't like the idea of that at all so I started playing with it OFF again. To be honest, after another week of playing games littered with an over abundance of the "BS" AI (BS = Bionic Syndrome), I haven't tried playing with it ON again. I had to take a break from playing MLB '09 the last couple of days because all inanimate objects in my immediate surroundings were in immanent danger (damn, that was a string of fancy words that start with the letter i). I will have to give it a try with the setting ON again, which makes sense since this is the thread I'm posting in (duh).
              i completly understand u... i must admit i was tempeted to turn the option off everytime brian comes abroad and reinstates that theres no AI comback, or neither is the option broken, the idea of the AI getting boosts is absolutly a killer for a sim-guy as me...

              But after playing about 6-7 games with it OFF last week after brian jumped in the discussion i returned to see the God innigns by either me or the AI, so i thought: what tha heck with it! ill keep it on since this is just how I get better results and more organic feeling so i will just ignore the idea of the boost, broken option, ai comeback or whatever could be happening under the hood..ill just play....i had played over 25 games with it ON before that and i was absolutly loving it, seen all kinds of scores, not only nail biters like before.
              ---------------
              PSN: brunnoce
              Thanx Knight165

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              • davewins
                MVP
                • Sep 2005
                • 1913

                #832
                Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                Was there an option in the past that was reversed?? Was it something with the field marker?? I am unaware of this but I have heard about it.

                Does anybody know about this??

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                • magoo1967
                  Pro
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 784

                  #833
                  Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                  Originally posted by davewins
                  Was there an option in the past that was reversed?? Was it something with the field marker?? I am unaware of this but I have heard about it.

                  Does anybody know about this??
                  Last year they had the option to turn ON/OFF the Catch Region Marker & the actual Ball Location Marker (can't remember the exact name of it) separately, but they both either stayed ON or OFF even when you set them individually. This year, you can turn Guess Pitch OFF and set Swing Analysis ON but it stays OFF when Guess Pitch is OFF.
                  Last edited by magoo1967; 04-03-2009, 09:48 AM.
                  "There are only two seasons—winter and baseball." - Bill Veeck

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                  • JT30
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 2123

                    #834
                    Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                    Yep, correct. And it wouldnt surprise me if this was the case with the on/off switch for comeback

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                    • davewins
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 1913

                      #835
                      Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                      Originally posted by magoo1967
                      Last year they had the option to turn ON/OFF the Catch Region Marker & the actual Ball Location Marker (can't remember the exact name of it) separately, but they both either stayed ON or OFF even when you set them individually. This year, you can turn Guess Pitch OFF and set Swing Analysis ON but it stays OFF when Guess Pitch is OFF.
                      Ok thank you Magoo.

                      If these 2 examples are correct then why can't this comeback option possibly be reversed or broken as well??

                      Also, these are visual aid options. All you have to do is open your eyes to see these options are flawed (if in fact they are/were).

                      Now with this comeback option. It's a whole new animal. This is all under the hood and is not something that can be clearly seen with the naked eye. It's something that's under the hood and is going to be needed to be tested over a series of games and determined not to be either broken or not broken by any individual on here by definite answer. It's just too tough to "prove" or come up with a "conclusion".

                      Not trying to start any new arguments but just thought I'd point this out. Forget about what anybody says or thinks. Just play it with it ON or OFF and be happy. There isn't much more to be said about it to be honest.

                      Bottom line is regardless of who says it's reversed or not it simply cannot be proved. There are options that were reversed/broken in the past and present (presumably) so why can't this be broken as well?? Nobody will ever know this for sure in all respect to the SCEA developers. It's a matter of opinion, not fact.
                      Last edited by davewins; 04-03-2009, 09:43 AM.

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                      • bsb13
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 3439

                        #836
                        Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                        If I'm not mistaken (I could be) but I think even when you turned off the Rob Homerun indicator last year it still stayed on.

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                        • davewins
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 1913

                          #837
                          Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                          Originally posted by bsb13
                          If I'm not mistaken (I could be) but I think even when you turned off the Rob Homerun indicator last year it still stayed on.
                          Interesting....

                          So let's just say that all 3 of these were in fact broken. Who is to say that this comeback option isn't possibly broken. I find it very coincidental that we have complaints of cpu comeback for the first time ever and an option to turn comeback on/off for the first time ever in the series. Add the fact that options in the past/present have presumably been broken/reversed can really raise some eyebrows.

                          These 3 options that are/were presumably broken are all visual aids so they can easily be identified as a broken option or not. Like I said previously, the comeback option is not visual. It's all under the hood and is much harder (if not impossible) to determine if it's indeed broken/reversed.

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                          • magoo1967
                            Pro
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 784

                            #838
                            Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                            Originally posted by magoo1967
                            Last year they had the option to turn ON/OFF the Catch Region Marker & the actual Ball Location Marker (can't remember the exact name of it) separately, but they both either stayed ON or OFF even when you set them individually. This year, you can turn Guess Pitch OFF and set Swing Analysis ON but it stays OFF when Guess Pitch is OFF.
                            To further elaborate, this year I have had numerous instances where I've had both GP/SA set to ON and for some reason the SA just stops working (click L stick after each pitch and nothing happens, even though it was working fine earlier and no settings were touched), curiously each time it has suddenly stopped working, it was late on the game which as you know, is when some other "full moon" type events seem to happen.
                            Last edited by magoo1967; 04-03-2009, 09:53 AM.
                            "There are only two seasons—winter and baseball." - Bill Veeck

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                            • magoo1967
                              Pro
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 784

                              #839
                              Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                              Originally posted by davewins
                              Interesting....

                              So let's just say that all 3 of these were in fact broken. Who is to say that this comeback option isn't possibly broken. I find it very coincidental that we have complaints of cpu comeback for the first time ever and an option to turn comeback on/off for the first time ever in the series. Add the fact that options in the past/present have presumably been broken/reversed can really raise some eyebrows.

                              These 3 options that are/were presumably broken are all visual aids so they can easily be identified as a broken option or not. Like I said previously, the comeback option is not visual. It's all under the hood and is much harder (if not impossible) to determine if it's indeed broken/reversed.
                              Exactly, I have tried to make this point in several posts in the past, only to be given a condescending (and totally inaccurate) lecture about how I don't know how to manage my pitchers or how these things are just normal events in baseball. Everyone's is entitled to have this opinion, but I know the difference (impossible to prove, but very possible to know) and this is not what I am experiencing. Obviously if these other settings didn't work properly, other things can certainly be amiss. I just wish that the game developers would at least consider that there may be some credence to these claims rather than automatically discount them at something else the user is doing (perhaps they are looking at it, but aren't able to say as much).
                              "There are only two seasons—winter and baseball." - Bill Veeck

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                              • PsychoBulk
                                Hoping for change...
                                • May 2006
                                • 4191

                                #840
                                Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                                Originally posted by davewins

                                If these 2 examples are correct then why can't this comeback option possibly be reversed or broken as well??
                                Because the likes of Brian and Ramone, people involved with the company that made the game (more specifically Brian the head AI man) tell you they have tested this hundreds/thousands of times (as they can with the setup they have) and it is NOT reversed or broken?

                                Or maybe they just want to lie to us all, just for the sheer LOL's, you know :wink:

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