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  • coreyhartsdaughter
    MVP
    • Jul 2008
    • 1107

    #226
    Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

    Originally posted by Bobhead
    I agree, and this still bugs me, but then at 5 I see too many plays where a slow runner comes close to beating out the ball, when in real life there are an infinite number of plays where the fielder can "take their time".

    I think the real issue is that the speed scale is off, to have it play properly at 5, the slower guys need to be slowed down, without the faster ones being affected.
    I think it comes down to the fielding / throwing animations. I've seen too many 'taps' on a ball hit to the 2B that wind up in a VERY close play with a speedster, when that guy would be out handily in real life.

    Then you'll cleanly field a ball at third or by the shortstop, hammer the throw button, and the animation / timing will be spot on, regardless of runner speed. (close on faster guys, well beat on say Prince Fielder)

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    • Heroesandvillains
      MVP
      • May 2009
      • 5974

      #227
      Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

      Man...I don't know what's going on.

      Timing only hitting is killing me lately. Sort of like CHD's post above, those 21 foul, 27 miss games are really starting to irritate me.

      I can't decide if I'd feel better raising the fouls slider...at the risk of more strikeouts...but for the benefit of simply putting "some" wood on those nasty pitches for the sake of realism...

      Raising the timing slider...at the risk of hitting too well...but for the benefit of slightly increasing the PCI size and hopefully increasing fouls and possibly my doubles in the process...

      Or just dropping pitch speed again, and/or, using more Guess Pitch/Location...

      Ugh.

      My pitching stats/CPU hitting stats are nearly perfect. We're both hitting with the same sliders (contact, timing, fouls, solids, power, control). So I'm trying to figure where the difference between the two of us (me and CPU) lie. I think the great divide is their overall timing and pitch recognition. I don't want to do anything drastic, but I really would like to match up our miss/fouls percentages.

      Does anyone have any advice as to how to subtly go about it? I'm striking out too much, and misses are clearly the reason. I do see a lot of "perfect" swing throughs, but I think I can deal with those more than I can the absurd number of "just early/late" misses. Some of the balls surely should either be fouled off, or ripped down the line for extra bases. Right? The CPU does it all day long. You know, a "just early" that results in a gapper. When I do that, I miss! LOL!

      Is it because they "guess pitch?"

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      • topside
        Rookie
        • Sep 2009
        • 302

        #228
        Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

        Hero make contact swing your bff. I went from striking out 10-15 times a game to 5-10. When I'm up in the count I use normal swing and when down I use contact. You will also see a lot of different types of hits.

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        • steelcityjames
          Pro
          • Dec 2010
          • 877

          #229
          Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

          Originally posted by heroesandvillians
          Man...I don't know what's going on.

          Timing only hitting is killing me lately. Sort of like CHD's post above, those 21 foul, 27 miss games are really starting to irritate me.

          I can't decide if I'd feel better raising the fouls slider...at the risk of more strikeouts...but for the benefit of simply putting "some" wood on those nasty pitches for the sake of realism...

          Raising the timing slider...at the risk of hitting too well...but for the benefit of slightly increasing the PCI size and hopefully increasing fouls and possibly my doubles in the process...

          Or just dropping pitch speed again, and/or, using more Guess Pitch/Location...

          Ugh.

          My pitching stats/CPU hitting stats are nearly perfect. We're both hitting with the same sliders (contact, timing, fouls, solids, power, control). So I'm trying to figure where the difference between the two of us (me and CPU) lie. I think the great divide is their overall timing and pitch recognition. I don't want to do anything drastic, but I really would like to match up our miss/fouls percentages.

          Does anyone have any advice as to how to subtly go about it? I'm striking out too much, and misses are clearly the reason. I do see a lot of "perfect" swing throughs, but I think I can deal with those more than I can the absurd number of "just early/late" misses. Some of the balls surely should either be fouled off, or ripped down the line for extra bases. Right? The CPU does it all day long. You know, a "just early" that results in a gapper. When I do that, I miss! LOL!

          Is it because they "guess pitch?"
          i use timing hitting too. after about 20 practice games i had to turn guess pitch off. i think it hurt more than it helped. it seems the penalty for guessing wrong is pretty severe this year. try using contact swing a little more like the previous poster suggested.

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          • Bobhead
            Pro
            • Mar 2011
            • 4926

            #230
            Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

            I am officially on the verge of giving up on HOF batting. Also I got bored and played a couple of exhibition games, and I noticed that my hitting significantly improved with a better team (Texas Rangers, as opposed to the Mets), even on HoF difficulty, seems obvious but I didn't think there would be that much of a difference.In franchise I was getting no-hit against until the 7th inning for literally 4 straight games.

            I also tried playing a Mets v Phillies exhibition and I kept switing teams so I'd always be batting, and I did get a few decent hits, I scored 2 runs with the Phillies. Anyway my point is that when I raised Contact a few points, to 8, on HoF, my hits felt a lot more "comfortable." So now I can't decide between batting on All Star, or on HoF with inflated sliders, especially since I'd still have to invest time in figuring out an ideal setting for Contact and Solid Hits, since 8 was just an arbitrary number.

            The main thing I'm wondering: Am I the only one here that uses Zone in combination with HoF? I'm curious as to whether I just suck or if its really that difficult to do, and I'm also curious as to what kind of sliders other Zone+HoF users use.

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            • Heroesandvillains
              MVP
              • May 2009
              • 5974

              #231
              Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

              Originally posted by topside
              Hero make contact swing your bff. I went from striking out 10-15 times a game to 5-10. When I'm up in the count I use normal swing and when down I use contact. You will also see a lot of different types of hits.
              BFF!! LOL!!! I don't hear that term a lot on sports forums! Thanks for that though, I needed a little smile.

              I do use contact swing a lot, but...

              I don't think I've ever hit a double with it. My doubles are alreadly border line unacceptable. While my homeruns are coming at an equal clip to my 2B's...which I hope is just a temporary anomaly, for what it's worth. This hasn't been an issue for me until recently (when I dropped CPU control and user solid hits from 5 to 4). I have to believe that those two sliders couldn't LOWER doubles.

              Have you hit any doubles with contact swing? I'd be more likely to utilize more if I knew that BEST CASE, the result wouldn't only be a single or a homer (which seem to be my only hit results with contact swing).
              Last edited by Heroesandvillains; 04-07-2011, 12:42 PM.

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              • steelcityjames
                Pro
                • Dec 2010
                • 877

                #232
                Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                Originally posted by heroesandvillians
                BFF!! LOL!!! I don't hear that term a lot on sports forums! Thanks for that though, I needed a little smile.

                I do use contact swing a lot, but...

                I don't think I've ever hit a double with it. My doubles are alreadly border line unacceptable. While my homeruns are coming at an equal clip to my 2B's...which I hope is just a temporary anomaly, for what it's worth. This hasn't been an issue for me until recently (when I dropped CPU control and user solid hits from 5 to 4). I have to believe that those two sliders couldn't LOWER doubles.

                Have you hit any doubles with contact swing? I'd be more likely to utilize more if I knew that BEST CASE, the result wouldn't only be a single or a homer (which seem to be my only hit results with contact swing).
                i've hit quite a few 2Bs with contact swing. usually of the opposite field variety ... a looping slicer down the opposite field line. it actually looks very cool

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                • Heroesandvillains
                  MVP
                  • May 2009
                  • 5974

                  #233
                  Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                  Originally posted by steelcityjames
                  i've hit quite a few 2Bs with contact swing. usually of the opposite field variety ... a looping slicer down the opposite field line. it actually looks very cool
                  That's good to hear. Thank you for the quick response.

                  Are your sliders all Default HOF? Or are you using the sliders on page one? Or do you have a custom set going?

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                  • Jgainsey
                    I can't feel it
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 3362

                    #234
                    Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                    I haven't even really come close to hitting a HR with the contact swing, but I do get the occasional 2B.

                    It's been at least a year or two since I've used Guess Pitch, but when I did, it didn't take long before it was hurting my approach at the plate. Maybe approach isn't the right word, but it definitely affected my pitch recognition skills in a negative way. Though fwiw, I probably wasn't being very smart with the way I was using GP..

                    I dunno man, bumping fouls up 1 may be your best bet if you're looking for a subtle change. Fouls at 6 worked great for me last year. It helped bring my K's down closer to a more realistic rate, and it also helped my BBs.. though you probably don't need much help with the later. It also has a slightly negative impact on batting average, as more foul balls lead to more foul ball outs.
                    Last edited by Jgainsey; 04-07-2011, 02:01 PM.
                    Now, more than ever

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                    • steelcityjames
                      Pro
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 877

                      #235
                      Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                      Originally posted by heroesandvillians
                      That's good to hear. Thank you for the quick response.

                      Are your sliders all Default HOF? Or are you using the sliders on page one? Or do you have a custom set going?
                      default hof with classic pitching / timing hitting.... i'm the pirates, so it is quite a challenge ( especially hitting ). hof forces me to use contact swing alot. to be honest, i'm considering bumping HUM contact up to 6 for awhile until my hitting improves...

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                      • Heroesandvillains
                        MVP
                        • May 2009
                        • 5974

                        #236
                        Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                        Yeah. I don't really know what's going on with me today. My stats are all real good, until I stare at my fouls/misses/and 2B:HR ratio...which is literally 1:1.

                        All of the changes make sense. Wind, errors, control/consistency on both ends, etc. I agree with all of the moves.

                        Am I crazy or is it possible that lowering sold hits (user) could, as a result, be lowering my doubles? Did we go throw this last year? LOL! Perhaps it's caused in conjunction with lowering CPU control? Let me elaborate on this:

                        I mainly seem to be seeing a lot of balls go straight up or down off the bat (singles aside) in those situations where I'm rewarded for good execution, if that makes sense. To be fair, here's what I'm seeing so maybe someone can help me narrow this down:

                        Think of the diamond as a clock. 6 is home, 9 is third, and 3 is first. My spray chart is a little too 11 and 1 for my liking. This has to definitely account for my recent all or nothing approach. Obviously, a few better timed change ups, and a couple less misses would greatly improve all of my recent headaches (misses, doubles, fouls). But what do I need to do to get back there?

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                        • Heroesandvillains
                          MVP
                          • May 2009
                          • 5974

                          #237
                          Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                          Originally posted by steelcityjames
                          default hof with classic pitching / timing hitting.... i'm the pirates, so it is quite a challenge ( especially hitting ). hof forces me to use contact swing alot. to be honest, i'm considering bumping HUM contact up to 6 for awhile until my hitting improves...
                          Dude. Timing Only is no joke this year. I hit on Legend for over 100 games last year, using the left stick. This year, timing is decades harder. I can't even begin to explain it. Mostly, in a really good way.

                          I don't plan on changing, but just curious. How are your pitching stats? I love analog too much to ever switch back, but please...do share! For that matter, care to share your hitting stats too?

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                          • steelcityjames
                            Pro
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 877

                            #238
                            Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                            Originally posted by heroesandvillians
                            Dude. Timing Only is no joke this year. I hit on Legend for over 100 games last year, using the left stick. This year, timing is decades harder. I can't even begin to explain it. Mostly, in a really good way.

                            I don't plan on changing, but just curious. How are your pitching stats? I love analog too much to ever switch back, but please...do share! For that matter, care to share your hitting stats too?
                            since starting my "official" pirates 'chise i'm 5-5. i dont have stats in front of me, but here are some off the top of my head: my team BA is like .228, team ERA is right around 3.00 ... i have 7 HRs in 10 games. my ERA is pure luck. i look for it to rise significantly over time. i yield about 5 walks/game. i've been able to pitch my way out of jams ALOT... sooner or later i'll get bombed. you can only dance through raindrops for so long without getting wet

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                            • coreyhartsdaughter
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 1107

                              #239
                              Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                              Originally posted by heroesandvillians
                              Dude. Timing Only is no joke this year. I hit on Legend for over 100 games last year, using the left stick. This year, timing is decades harder. I can't even begin to explain it. Mostly, in a really good way.

                              I don't plan on changing, but just curious. How are your pitching stats? I love analog too much to ever switch back, but please...do share! For that matter, care to share your hitting stats too?
                              Go into the batting practice mode and do the timing challenge. This has helped considerably, not only for me to get better, but dial in my sliders.

                              I typically use a top rated player (e.g. Braun, Longoria, etc.) and play against a #5 starter, then a #2, then #1. Maybe 2 sessions each. Then I reverse the order, a average player against a #1, the #2, and then #5 starter.

                              However, this is why I'm stuck between HUM contact 3 or 4. Once you factor in pitch confidence in a live game (more-so for poor versus high), contact 4 becomes a little too high, and 3 seems more realistic.

                              I think I'll release my set mentioning if you play with Pitch confidence ON, go 3, OFF, 4. Or not. Still testing.

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                              • steven
                                Pro
                                • Mar 2005
                                • 621

                                #240
                                Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                looking forward to seeing your set Corey, I've played with your set last year and it was great!!

                                Nasa...................

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