Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 17 Timed/Classic Simulation All-Star Sliders

[JG1986]

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Yikes, just finished my game at Texas and it was one of those games where I knew I was gonna lose from the very first inning. Umpire being widly inconsistent but routinely favoring the CPU on borderline calls, bloopers dropping in, check swings resulting in infield singles, all my pitchers not able to locate their best pitches even when tapping, mound visits resulting in a negative effect on confidence, guys mis-playing balls in the OF, I mean it was a comedy of errors and I should have had the theme from Benny Hill playing in the background for it.

I lost 14-3, a team with hot trash for contact managed 17 hits, 8 doubles, 2 HR's meanwhile influencing didn't work once the entire game, pitches that should have been crushed were dribblers or lazy fly ball outs, the fix was definitely in. It's funny how you play a game enough that you can start to notice patterns and whats going to happen afterwards, this same thing happened against Boston earlier in the season when I lost 15-5 and the game literally played out damn near identical to the one I just finished.

I can't wrap my head around pitching, might go to meter and be done trying to figure out this heavily flawed classic system they have this year. I can say with 100% certainty, imo, this years classic is nowhere near like previous years when things actually made logical sense. Not sure if them making the game more offensive driven did it or they actually tweaked the interface specifically but something feels extremely off.

Take this for what it is, or don't take it at all but I would actually love to lose by that score, lol. Crappy teams do score a lot of runs every once in a while. That's baseball. I haven't been beaten up like that in this year's game though I don't think. And I'm literally not trying to insult anyone but maybe it is simply your pitching philosophy, not so much pitch selection/location. I DO NOT listen to the catcher in this game- EVER. I have been following along this thread and play clean screen/no vibration with classic pitching on HOF with HUM control/consistency 4/4 forever now, well before Armor made the switch. Maybe it's because I use the Mets and ratings make a huge difference, I don't know. My thought process is, and I think it goes along with JoshC's comment, is I really don't want to "understand" how it works. I don't care how classic pitching works. Get a feel for your pitch, and throw it. If it's not working, don't throw it or use it against crappy hitters to try and build up some "confidence." If we understood every single thing there was, wouldn't the game just get boring and everything would be low scoring? I don't know. I'm not arguing I'm literally just getting food for thought. The primary role for the stats in this thread is ratings; therefore, the release point is irrelevant anyway. Every single pitcher has a different release point, and each pitcher has good days vs bad days. Great pitchers go through bad stretches and they work on their mechanics and release point. Maybe they didn't tweak a single thing. Maybe the Mariners just suck, lol. Maybe if you restarted your franchise you would have a sub 3.00 team ERA. Who knows?? I guess I wouldn't worry about it too much. You will end up mastering meter and timing everything perfectly, and dominate the CPU and get bored. Or maybe the same thing will happen with meter; you may perfect the time and it doesn't seem to correlate to pitch location. I guess my point is just play and don't think too much!

And I remember reading that you like to keep spreadsheets and things and yes that is pretty cool. However, I think that can get to your head. At the end of the day, it is a videogame and just like in real life baseball, there are some things that won't be explained!

[Lil Worm]

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Just popping in to give a little more praise on this set. My garden is in full swing and keeping me very busy in the evening, and all day on weekends so it has cut my play way down recently, but hey fresh corn and veggies is damn hard to beat so it makes it worth it. Back to the game......it's perfect with this set IMO. I played a 3 game series against the Giants as the Reds in my Franchise, and the different outcomes were amazing.......to me anyway. SF absolutely demolished me in game 1 with a 16-3 thrashing. I dropped game two in a close 3-2 game that was tied 2-2 going into the 8th. Game 3 I was finally able to put a W in my column with a score of 3-7. The game is freaking awesome. Every game is fresh and unpredictable. My Reds have a record of 12-22 on the season so far, and I play every pitch of every game. Maybe it's me getting old or something else, but I'm pleased with my losing record, and it really has my wheels turning trying to figure out what moves will make the best sense, and help the team in the years to come in this rebuild process. I'm also really enjoying the morale aspect of the game. I'm paying attention to each players morale in each column, and think the morale system in some ways will help me with some of my up coming roster moves. Back to the garden for now, but I be damn if I don't get a game in tonight being that I just really pumped myself up about the game in this post. ARMOR/MARINO AS ALWAYS YOU HAVE ONE A HELL OF A JOB!!!! Thanks!!!!!

[The Chef]

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Take this for what it is, or don't take it at all but I would actually love to lose by that score, lol. Crappy teams do score a lot of runs every once in a while. That's baseball. I haven't been beaten up like that in this year's game though I don't think. And I'm literally not trying to insult anyone but maybe it is simply your pitching philosophy, not so much pitch selection/location. I DO NOT listen to the catcher in this game- EVER. I have been following along this thread and play clean screen/no vibration with classic pitching on HOF with HUM control/consistency 4/4 forever now, well before Armor made the switch. Maybe it's because I use the Mets and ratings make a huge difference, I don't know. My thought process is, and I think it goes along with JoshC's comment, is I really don't want to "understand" how it works. I don't care how classic pitching works. Get a feel for your pitch, and throw it. If it's not working, don't throw it or use it against crappy hitters to try and build up some "confidence." If we understood every single thing there was, wouldn't the game just get boring and everything would be low scoring? I don't know. I'm not arguing I'm literally just getting food for thought. The primary role for the stats in this thread is ratings; therefore, the release point is irrelevant anyway. Every single pitcher has a different release point, and each pitcher has good days vs bad days. Great pitchers go through bad stretches and they work on their mechanics and release point. Maybe they didn't tweak a single thing. Maybe the Mariners just suck, lol. Maybe if you restarted your franchise you would have a sub 3.00 team ERA. Who knows?? I guess I wouldn't worry about it too much. You will end up mastering meter and timing everything perfectly, and dominate the CPU and get bored. Or maybe the same thing will happen with meter; you may perfect the time and it doesn't seem to correlate to pitch location. I guess my point is just play and don't think too much!

And I remember reading that you like to keep spreadsheets and things and yes that is pretty cool. However, I think that can get to your head. At the end of the day, it is a videogame and just like in real life baseball, there are some things that won't be explained!

Of course ratings will make a big difference, I'd imagine pitching with that top end rotation in NY would make things a lot easier then pitching with even a middle of the pack rotation let alone a poor one. It is what it is, I used to use meter exclusively and just got tired of going through the motions with it so jumped ship years ago now. Classic pitching might drive me nuts at times but I couldn't really ever go back to meter, it's just too pin point from what I recall and that's the opposite of what I want.

After a couple games of just tapping I bailed on that as well lol. I felt like it was becoming like meter where there was next to no interaction and was just going through the motions again. I tried to devise a plan and figured I'd give it a shot in the final game of the series with Texas. Drew Smyly went out and only gave up 1 hit over 6 IP and we held on for a 5-2 victory.

I do have a question for you and anyone else willing to answer. Say you're pitching with someone who has poor control in a few pitches, do you try and put minimal effort into them or do you try and max the effort out more often? Maybe this isn't a one size fits all answer but figured it was worth asking. I was thinking that putting more effort into the pitches with less control might help as minimal effort and then having them miss the target is far worse since it's, in theory, flatter and easier to hit. It worked well with Smyly but who knows, maybe I got lucky that game and this is a terrible approach.

As for following the catcher. I tend to follow them more as for whatever reason I can't seem to setup the CPU very often. For instance I can have Paxton on the hill with his high 90's fastball and get a guy late on it, then bust him inside and he's late again then I throw a change down and away and he's right on it and rips it. I'd think he would be speeding his bat up with 2 strikes knowing he was behind on the fastball not once but twice in a row yet the CPU smashes the change like they were sitting on it. Maybe I'm just doing it all wrong and there's something I'm missing. I try and use the CPU's timing against them and using it to dictate speed of the next pitch but it rarely seems to work. Again, maybe I suck lol, but if I'm doing something wrong by all means educate me as I was enjoying calling my own game but I couldn't get any strikeouts to save my life and my complete inability to setup the CPU caused me to abandon it and go back to just following the catcher.

[JG1986]

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I am by no means an expert but just like to give my philosophical input here and there lol. Me personally, I don't pay attention to control ratings to be honest. Couldn't tell you anybody's ratings on the Mets. I pretty much pitch the same way with everyone on the staff. Hard stuff in weak stuff away but obviously I mix it up here and there. Unless a pitcher is struggling, I also don't show the 4th and 5th pitch, if he has one, until the 4th inning. I mean generally speaking hard stuff in and the change up away works for me. That might be exactly what you say where yes the ball just is missing the spot. And we know what happens to hanging change ups. I saw your stats posted a while back. I mean you were in a close race which looked super fun. I wouldn't dwell on stats. I just think with this game yes ratings make a huge difference but you also have this dice roll effect, which I love. You just don't know what's going to happen. I'm not a developer so I have no clue how to say it but this game is great at being unpredictable so to speak. If the ratings were the only determining factor, well we would already know many outcomes.

[kodiak]

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If a guy's late, I will never speed his bat up. I'll keep throwing the heat until he proves he can handle it. Then I'll go with offspeed. Using Severino from the hybrid roster, I went with the old Brett Saberhagen pitching style. 1st time through the order, I only threw fastballs and didn't mix in his slider or change until the second time through. Worked really well for the one game I actually employed it.

As for your question about maxing lesser pitches, my style for years was to use the tap if their confidence in that pitch was above half full but use max effort it was half or less. My reasoning was that it took more focus and effort to throw an effective pitch using one that they were struggling with at that time. Now that I've gone clean screen, I have to utilize the pitcher analyses screen more to keep tabs on confidence since I've reverted back to that method again.


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[The Chef]

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I am by no means an expert but just like to give my philosophical input here and there lol. Me personally, I don't pay attention to control ratings to be honest. Couldn't tell you anybody's ratings on the Mets. I pretty much pitch the same way with everyone on the staff. Hard stuff in weak stuff away but obviously I mix it up here and there. Unless a pitcher is struggling, I also don't show the 4th and 5th pitch, if he has one, until the 4th inning. I mean generally speaking hard stuff in and the change up away works for me. That might be exactly what you say where yes the ball just is missing the spot. And we know what happens to hanging change ups. I saw your stats posted a while back. I mean you were in a close race which looked super fun. I wouldn't dwell on stats. I just think with this game yes ratings make a huge difference but you also have this dice roll effect, which I love. You just don't know what's going to happen. I'm not a developer so I have no clue how to say it but this game is great at being unpredictable so to speak. If the ratings were the only determining factor, well we would already know many outcomes.

This year I'm playing as Seattle when I typically play as my team (LA Dodgers) and because of that I don't know their pitching staff as well so I figured I'd jot down control ratings to try and maximize production.

I'll keep chugging along, unlike last year when I played as LA and won the World Series this year I'm really looking forward to the offseason and trying to flip some bad contracts anyway I can. LA is pre-made where as Seattle is potent but with an aging roster and some really bad contracts making things more fun to manage.

I'll manage and hope my team can turn it around before it's too late. Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.

[The Chef]

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How is everyone's power numbers looking as of late? I haven't hit a HR in 5 games, going on 6, and nothing really feels like it's being hit hard or carrying anywhere. I've hit some doubles but nothing even off the wall. It's just weird to go from hitting too many to suddenly I can't hit a HR if the ball was on a tee.

[kodiak]

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I haven't noticed a decline but half my team is on hot streaks right now


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[The Chef]

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I haven't noticed a decline but half my team is on hot streaks right now


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Well hopefully it's a fluke. I have now gone officially 6 straight games without a HR and I'm not kidding when I say nothing feels like it's being driven, even my doubles feel like they are just perfectly placed hits as opposed to balls being driven for extra bases. I almost had a HR with Nelson Cruz but of course it went foul, other then that not another single ball even sniffed the warning track. I know baseball is about streaks and high's and low's but good Lord the pendulum seems to swing in huge gaps from one end of the spectrum to the opposite. It's not like one or two guys get cold, it's like my entire team is either a mixture of hot/neutral or cold/neutral lol.

Well this season continues to spiral into the dumpster after another loss at KC 3-1. I managed a grand total of 5 hits (3 Doubles, 2 Singles) and otherwise might as well have stayed home as the offense was once again garbage. I sure hope this power outage ends soon, amazing timing as usual, when the pitching has a few good outings then the offense goes to **** and when the offense is hitting the pitching turns into a dumpster fire. I can't win for losing.

[JG1986]

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Well I've probably played 80-100 games but I've literally restarted my franchise over 7 times. My OCD is I can't play my final franchise until I'm convinced slider work is complete and main patches are done. Anyway, in my current franchise I'm playing my tenth game and have hit 22 HRs....so yeah those power numbers definitely have not declined. I had so much more time to play when the game first came out but of course that was devoted to tinkering sliders, waiting for rosters, and patches. Now that I'm just about 100% I can't play as often.

Also, wouldn't you know it. After telling you I wish I was smacked around, the Marlins are smoking me 7-2 and it's only the fifth. This game surely humbles you. And I was on a five game winning streak.

[kpeercy]

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I get walks, I average just a shade over 3 per game with some games more and some less and I have strike frequency at 5 so walks are definitely there.

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I restarted a franchise with exact sliders and I have 1 walk in 3 games. 3 ball counts result in as many strikes as it takes after that.

[The Chef]

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Well I've probably played 80-100 games but I've literally restarted my franchise over 7 times. My OCD is I can't play my final franchise until I'm convinced slider work is complete and main patches are done. Anyway, in my current franchise I'm playing my tenth game and have hit 22 HRs....so yeah those power numbers definitely have not declined. I had so much more time to play when the game first came out but of course that was devoted to tinkering sliders, waiting for rosters, and patches. Now that I'm just about 100% I can't play as often.

Also, wouldn't you know it. After telling you I wish I was smacked around, the Marlins are smoking me 7-2 and it's only the fifth. This game surely humbles you. And I was on a five game winning streak.

I still lead the league in HR's as I've hit 169 HR's in 110 games but I also had a decent sized gap between myself the next highest team prior to the slump. This current power outage has been tough, now maybe it's because I've faced better pitchers perhaps as in those 5 games I faced Syndergaard, Tyson Ross, Martin Perez, Cole Hamels and Chris Archer (he was traded to KC in my franchise). Out of those 5 Perez and Hamels are LHP's and I don't hit LHP's well and haven't all season, throw in Thor and Archer and the only guy I should have probably done better against was Tyson Ross. Factor in Kyle Seager now has that dreaded snowflake next to his name and Nelson Cruz has seen a steady drop in his vision so he's struggled to square the ball up as of late and I suppose it makes sense that my power is suddenly struggling mightly.

I wish I had tried to get a bat at the deadline but I had no idea Cruz was going to see his vision plummet out of the blue (which I don't quite understand how age effects someone's vision, I could see power but vision seems like a strange thing for age to effect) but hindsight is 20/20. I now sit 5.5 GB in the division and 6 GB for the wild card with 52 games left to play. Like I mentioned in my prior post, this season is quickly spiraling out of control into missing the playoffs completely.

I like the challenge of HOF pitching but damn if I don't suck since moving up. I just looked and I went 17-9 in April before I started moving to HOF. From that point on I've gone 41-43. I almost wish I had blown the roster up at the deadline, I hate pitching with Paxton, don't care much for King Felix even and with Cruz falling off a cliff it would have been nice to have had a crytal ball to see into the future so I could have cut ties with the bums lol. On a positive note I got 3 more with KC and their offense is pretty bad so if the offense can come alive even slightly I should be able to win the series still and then I have a 2 game series with Oakland after that who is even worse. If I can somehow win the next 3 against KC and sweep Oakland I could get back to 11 games over .500 and right back into the race. If I fail and go something like 2-3 over those 5 games my season might very well be over already with the way the AL is playing.

[JG1986]

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I still lead the league in HR's as I've hit 169 HR's in 110 games but I also had a decent sized gap between myself the next highest team prior to the slump. This current power outage has been tough, now maybe it's because I've faced better pitchers perhaps as in those 5 games I faced Syndergaard, Tyson Ross, Martin Perez, Cole Hamels and Chris Archer (he was traded to KC in my franchise). Out of those 5 Perez and Hamels are LHP's and I don't hit LHP's well and haven't all season, throw in Thor and Archer and the only guy I should have probably done better against was Tyson Ross. Factor in Kyle Seager now has that dreaded snowflake next to his name and Nelson Cruz has seen a steady drop in his vision so he's struggled to square the ball up as of late and I suppose it makes sense that my power is suddenly struggling mightly.

I wish I had tried to get a bat at the deadline but I had no idea Cruz was going to see his vision plummet out of the blue (which I don't quite understand how age effects someone's vision, I could see power but vision seems like a strange thing for age to effect) but hindsight is 20/20. I now sit 5.5 GB in the division and 6 GB for the wild card with 52 games left to play. Like I mentioned in my prior post, this season is quickly spiraling out of control into missing the playoffs completely.

I like the challenge of HOF pitching but damn if I don't suck since moving up. I just looked and I went 17-9 in April before I started moving to HOF. From that point on I've gone 41-43. I almost wish I had blown the roster up at the deadline, I hate pitching with Paxton, don't care much for King Felix even and with Cruz falling off a cliff it would have been nice to have had a crytal ball to see into the future so I could have cut ties with the bums lol. On a positive note I got 3 more with KC and their offense is pretty bad so if the offense can come alive even slightly I should be able to win the series still and then I have a 2 game series with Oakland after that who is even worse. If I can somehow win the next 3 against KC and sweep Oakland I could get back to 11 games over .500 and right back into the race. If I fail and go something like 2-3 over those 5 games my season might very well be over already with the way the AL is playing.

Wow. Yeah not too long ago I remember you being .5 games ahead.

And I just hit two more solo shots. Oh well lol

[The Chef]

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Wow. Yeah not too long ago I remember you being .5 games ahead.

And I just hit two more solo shots. Oh well lol

Yep the collapse is real lol. I just can't put it all together, pitching and no hitting, hitting and no pitching. Maybe I'll catch fire but I've been waiting for that to happen for 2 months now and it still hasn't happened so I'm not holding my breath. I thought getting Taylor Motter back would help and he's come back cold as ice so he's been no help.

Happy to hear someone is hitting HR's at least, gives me hope.

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[pimpinpidgeon8]

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I love classic pitching. I've just been tapping the button every time and have seen a solid amount of just about everything.

I'm having a blast playing this game. Now if only I could hit ...

Armor ... any changes needed to these sliders to bump down to veteran for hitting?


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