Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 17 Timed/Classic Simulation All-Star Sliders

[The Chef]

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For those that are pretty far into their franchise, how is regression looking? I've noticed that Cruz and Cano have fallen off a cliff even though both are hitting and hitting well, I thought regression was more based on performance then anything but seeing Cruz losing 8-10 points in multiple categories while hitting over .300 with 30 HR's and nearly 90 RBI's despite missing 2 months seems to say otherwise. I was going to look around the league when I fire it up today to see what's happening to other older veterans but figured I'd see what others are noticing. I considered editing ratings back to where they were depending on what I see around the league, although that feels cheap, but at the same time if aging veterans putting up worse stats aren't declining at this rate then my guys shouldn't be falling off a cliff during the season when they are putting up All-Star caliber numbers. Any ideas as to how to fix regression on our own by anyone that might have already tackled the problem?

[kodiak]

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Regression is terrible and it's another thing they need to look at tweaking. Holliday lost double digit attributes points in darn near every category despite hitting .293/.362/.424 with 17 homers and 80 RBI. I didn't do anything to correct it but if I had to do it again, I would.


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[jb12780]

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I finally got my 1st W with these sliders. I played the White Sox and Quintna came out with a non contact head injury.

I got to their bullpen and started raking. I went 5-5 with with 2 homers with Austin Romine.

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[The Chef]

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Regression is terrible and it's another thing they need to look at tweaking. Holliday lost double digit attributes points in darn near every category despite hitting .293/.362/.424 with 17 homers and 80 RBI. I didn't do anything to correct it but if I had to do it again, I would.


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That's the way I'm leaning right now, correcting it that is. Nelson Cruz is due to regress since he's something like 36 I believe but it shouldn't be across the board. I could see losing durability, speed, maybe some power but for vision and discipline to drop 10 points each seems a bit much. Guys don't get dumber as they age they lose physical skills, some gradually and some quickly, but with the stats he's putting up I'd think his hitting ratings would be more of a gradual decrease instead of just plummeting.

Robinson Cano is only 33 and he is declining at the same rate meanwhile he too is hitting above .300 yet vision and discpline are erroding quickly. His range dropping a bit makes sense as with age he won't have the same quick reflexes on balls in the hole but he won't suddenly become a free swinger who strikes out a ton either. It just doesn't make a ton of sense in the overall scheme of things as I thought regression was more stats based as opposed to age based but this seems to say otherwise.

If you had it to do over, what would you do exactly? I hate to simply put Cruz back at his opening day ratings line but they've dropped so much I'm unsure how to fix them without it being cheesy at the same time. Having said that, I will do it for any aging veteran around the league that has good stats yet a steep decline in ratings so it wouldn't just be something I did to benefit myself.

EDIT - One idea I had was to boost any declined rating by half of what it declined. So if Cruz dropped 10 points in vision then I raise it by 5, still shows that age is starting to catch up to him but not by the gigantic decrease the game feels is accurate. That make logical sense at all?

Another odd player is Jean Segura. He is only 27, he is hitting approx. .310 yet his overall is dropping and has been for over a month of my season regardless of him putting up extremely good numbers. I know if a player's overall rating is above their system generated rating for potential that they will decline regardless (look no further then James Paxton who is dropping in rating even though he isn't 30 yet but because his potential is lower then his overall he is dropping anyways) but seeing Segura drop at 27 while putting up All-Star numbers doesn't make a ton of sense either. He's got roughly 15 HR's, 55 RBI's, 60 or so runs scored and 30+ doubles while stealing 10 bags to go along with that .310+ average so his drop doesn't seem logical.

[The Chef]

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I finally got my 1st W with these sliders. I played the White Sox and Quintna came out with a non contact head injury.

I got to their bullpen and started raking. I went 5-5 with with 2 homers with Austin Romine.

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Nice, these sliders certainly challenge the hell out of me and it doesn't help that I have trouble figuring out the mechanics of classic pitching this year. Having said that I played the Angels and Felix turned in his best performance since April so even though my bullpen blew the lead and I lost 5-2 I knew I had something going. Second game Sonny Gray came out and pitched a gem only allowing 2 hits over 7 IP in route to a 5-2 victory. Then the gas can that is James Paxton went out and **** the bed thanks to his terrible control and I lost that game 5-2 but I finally feel like I'm getting a grasp on pitching.

And yes, you read that right, I had 3 straight games end with a 5-2 final score lol.

[The Chef]

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I went around the league and was checking aging vets to see if they had the same steep decline and oddly enough I haven't found anyone that does. The worst I've seen so far is Cole Hamels went down approx. 4-5 points in a lot of categories but for every Hamels there is someone like Ryan Braun who somehow gained 9 points in power vs LHP while being 33. I wonder if the steep declines only apply to user controlled teams or if the CPU is doing something training wise to offset it that we aren't doing as even guys like Beltran at 39 y/o didn't even have the steep decline that Cano and Cruz had and he's older then both and putting up stats nowhere near as good. I know Cano and Cruz are higher so they have more to drop off in by sheer numbers but here's another one. Justin Turner is 32 and the only ratings that changed are -1 to Con vs LHP and a +1 to Power vs LHP, everything else remained the same. He's putting up solid numbers .304/.371/.545 with 23 HR's and 60 RBI's but Cano is putting up .297/.372/.523 with 16 HR's and 51 RBI's in 36 fewer games and is only 1 year Turner's senior so to have him drop as badly as he has makes even less sense when comparing it to Turner. I mention Turner since he is rated a 88 so he has just as much room to drop as Cano does.

[forme95]

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I asked in the main forum, but thought I'd ask here since I trust you guys more then that loon bin out in crazy land. If I have a SP in the LR slot and have him spot start like a #6 guy, will he lose/recover energy like a SP or like a reliever? I have stanimas at Starters 6 and relievers 4.

[JG1986]

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I asked in the main forum, but thought I'd ask here since I trust you guys more then that loon bin out in crazy land. If I have a SP in the LR slot and have him spot start like a #6 guy, will he lose/recover energy like a SP or like a reliever? I have stanimas at Starters 6 and relievers 4.

I could be wrong on this so everybody correct me if I am. I have Robert Gsellman as my LRP for the Mets because they don't really have a true LRP. I've noticed if I put him in from the bullpen his stamina is treated like a reliever. My workaround is, if you want your spot starter's stamina to reflect an actual starter, you have to actually put him in the rotation. I then put the guy he is replacing in the bullpen and just don't use him.

[kodiak]

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That's the way I'm leaning right now, correcting it that is. Nelson Cruz is due to regress since he's something like 36 I believe but it shouldn't be across the board. I could see losing durability, speed, maybe some power but for vision and discipline to drop 10 points each seems a bit much. Guys don't get dumber as they age they lose physical skills, some gradually and some quickly, but with the stats he's putting up I'd think his hitting ratings would be more of a gradual decrease instead of just plummeting.

Robinson Cano is only 33 and he is declining at the same rate meanwhile he too is hitting above .300 yet vision and discpline are erroding quickly. His range dropping a bit makes sense as with age he won't have the same quick reflexes on balls in the hole but he won't suddenly become a free swinger who strikes out a ton either. It just doesn't make a ton of sense in the overall scheme of things as I thought regression was more stats based as opposed to age based but this seems to say otherwise.

If you had it to do over, what would you do exactly? I hate to simply put Cruz back at his opening day ratings line but they've dropped so much I'm unsure how to fix them without it being cheesy at the same time. Having said that, I will do it for any aging veteran around the league that has good stats yet a steep decline in ratings so it wouldn't just be something I did to benefit myself.

EDIT - One idea I had was to boost any declined rating by half of what it declined. So if Cruz dropped 10 points in vision then I raise it by 5, still shows that age is starting to catch up to him but not by the gigantic decrease the game feels is accurate. That make logical sense at all?

Another odd player is Jean Segura. He is only 27, he is hitting approx. .310 yet his overall is dropping and has been for over a month of my season regardless of him putting up extremely good numbers. I know if a player's overall rating is above their system generated rating for potential that they will decline regardless (look no further then James Paxton who is dropping in rating even though he isn't 30 yet but because his potential is lower then his overall he is dropping anyways) but seeing Segura drop at 27 while putting up All-Star numbers doesn't make a ton of sense either. He's got roughly 15 HR's, 55 RBI's, 60 or so runs scored and 30+ doubles while stealing 10 bags to go along with that .310+ average so his drop doesn't seem logical.

After looking at it, I'd increase his physical attributes like speed/power/contact/etc back up half of what he lost due to regression and his baseball IQ rating back up 75%. He's only on a one year deal and may very well retire once the postseason is over but if he doesn't, I'll make those changes in case I decide someone wants to sign him(30 team control)

I just looked at Nelson and Robbie in my franchise, especially since I get the M's in the ALDS, Cruz went down by at least 5 in every category except C vs R(no change)disc, speed, stealing, and br agg. His biggest loss was 11 to vision.

Cano dropped in every category but the biggest drop was 5 to pwr vs L. Everything else was mainly 3 and 2 pt drops.

Compare that to Holliday who lost double digits in every category except disc(-9), speed(-5) and no drop to stealing or br agg. Hie lost 15 in clutch and vision and 11,12,14,10,15 for his hitting skills.

The wild pitches, stupid fatigue(especially in the postseason for starters), and regression are the main areas that have been issues for the last couple years that really need addressed.

In game 1 of the ALDS, Tanaka only threw 78 pitches and his fatigue is worse than if he threw 95+ in the reg season. Severino only threw 33, in relief, and his stamina is just a tick above Tanaka's after that game. Such a mind boggling design choice they made with that a couple years ago.

[The Chef]

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I simply can't win anymore. The moment I win one game it's like the game recognizes it and bitch slaps me back down and I lose multiple games in a row. I won 4 in a row (all were simulated I should point out) then lost two in a row, won one game and now have lost 3 in a row. I don't know whats going on but my power has completely vanished, anything off the bat feels like a dying quail no matter who is the one hitting the ball and what their power rating is. I've hit a total of 3 HR's in my last 6 games meanwhile the CPU seems to have zero issues hitting it out and is doing it with extreme regularity. The CPU has hit 9 HR's in those 6 games. I can't stop saying it, the moment my pitching does it's job my offense vanishes then when the offense does well the pitching turns to ****. Look no further then last game when I lost 3-1 and Mark F'n Trumbo drove in all 3 runs off 2 HR's so even though the pitching was solid the offense couldn't do a damn thing. The game before that I lose 11-7, offense does something and the pitching turns to ****. This has been the constant theme and I got no idea how to solve it, I swear HOF level does everything in it's power to keep games artificially close as nothing about HOF feels organic in the least.

Anyways, I'm now 4.5 GB in the division and 5.0 GB in the wild card so the season is quickly slipping away. If it gets much worse I'll just sim to the end so I can rid myself of some of these pricks that I can't stand starting with Paxton and Marc Rzepczynski, blow the team up and then at least when I lose I'll know it's because my team sucks and not because I apparently suck lol. On a positive note my team is ranked 8th according to the standings page, too bad they don't play anything like that.

[No.27]

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I went around the league and was checking aging vets to see if they had the same steep decline and oddly enough I haven't found anyone that does. The worst I've seen so far is Cole Hamels went down approx. 4-5 points in a lot of categories but for every Hamels there is someone like Ryan Braun who somehow gained 9 points in power vs LHP while being 33. I wonder if the steep declines only apply to user controlled teams or if the CPU is doing something training wise to offset it that we aren't doing as even guys like Beltran at 39 y/o didn't even have the steep decline that Cano and Cruz had and he's older then both and putting up stats nowhere near as good. I know Cano and Cruz are higher so they have more to drop off in by sheer numbers but here's another one. Justin Turner is 32 and the only ratings that changed are -1 to Con vs LHP and a +1 to Power vs LHP, everything else remained the same. He's putting up solid numbers .304/.371/.545 with 23 HR's and 60 RBI's but Cano is putting up .297/.372/.523 with 16 HR's and 51 RBI's in 36 fewer games and is only 1 year Turner's senior so to have him drop as badly as he has makes even less sense when comparing it to Turner. I mention Turner since he is rated a 88 so he has just as much room to drop as Cano does.

To me it has always seemed that 32 years old looks like the cut off point for a big ratings drop. I use the simplest method I can to negate regression and just lower the age of my vets. I don't even notice the change after a while. David Ortiz spent the last year of his career at age 32 in my franchise. It was the easiest way to replicate his great form instead of having to keep adjusting his ratings all year.

[The Chef]

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To me it has always seemed that 32 years old looks like the cut off point for a big ratings drop. I use the simplest method I can to negate regression and just lower the age of my vets. I don't even notice the change after a while. David Ortiz spent the last year of his career at age 32 in my franchise. It was the easiest way to replicate his great form instead of having to keep adjusting his ratings all year.

Yeah I wish I had done this before as I'm 121 games into my season and so the season is winding down and only now did I adjust them a bit.

It's funny how my team plays better when I sim vs when I actually play. If I simulated more games I'd probably be in first place instead of lagging behind. I did win my last game against Baltimore 6-5 in 13 innings but the offense is still gutless power wise. It's very weird as my offense resembles the CPU's early on in the season and their mirrors mine from then, now I'm hitting doubles but nothing in the way of HR's where as I started the season mashing the ball. Now I simulated a game and Nelson Cruz hit 2 HR's, in my games played he lofts easy fly ball outs and pop up's galore, kinda weird that I can't drive a pitch belt high when playing but when simulating apparently he has no problem driving the ball.

[JG1986]

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For you guys that play with the Mets have any of you seen the seven line army? Or for that matter has anyone seen any crowd specific things for your team. I don't think I've seen the seven line army at all unless it's only a playoff thing?

Edit: haha holy crap division game against the Nats the seven line army is there! First I'm seeing it!

[Cleveland2Sarasota]

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How are this with Zone hitting and quick counts?

[BlueJays09]

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Still using these sliders for hitting. I think it's just shear luck, but Kendrys Morales has .295/42 homers/84 RBI. My next best in homers are Donaldson (29), Martin (21), Tulo (20), Smoak (18) so I am thinking Morales is just on a tear that I need to ride. 5 consecutive games with a homer. Loving it, but scared that the homers will dry up right before playoffs.


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