Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 17 Timed/Classic Simulation All-Star Sliders

[BZito75]

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I'm getting flat out whooped on with these sliders and I love it. I'm 17-28 with the A's. I shouldn't be undefeated with a trillion homers and having no fun. Strat on the screen at its finest


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[forme95]

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Getting ready to stream 1-2 Indians @ 2-2 Arizona series. A little interleague action.

[forme95]

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Stealing this year.... geez. I just dont get how. Im 5th in speed in the league and cant steal. Playing Arizona, plan it perfectly. 1-1 count, 73 CB low outside, know the jump (still moves almost a sec after I release button), throws to the back side of the SS, still out. My guy 80spd 55stl. So the catcher has to reach across his body to get the pitch, throws it from a knee, throws it to the back side of the SS who has to turn reach for the ball and still can turn back and just get the tag..... This honestly could not have been a better steal. I guess I wont be stealing this year. 3 top guys are O-fer stealing. I just dont get what else to do. This has nothing to do with these sliders. They are great and wouldnt change a thing about them. Just frustrating that I cant work in a critical part of the game.

[The Chef]

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Stealing this year.... geez. I just dont get how. Im 5th in speed in the league and cant steal. Playing Arizona, plan it perfectly. 1-1 count, 73 CB low outside, know the jump (still moves almost a sec after I release button), throws to the back side of the SS, still out. My guy 80spd 55stl. So the catcher has to reach across his body to get the pitch, throws it from a knee, throws it to the back side of the SS who has to turn reach for the ball and still can turn back and just get the tag..... This honestly could not have been a better steal. I guess I wont be stealing this year. 3 top guys are O-fer stealing. I just dont get what else to do. This has nothing to do with these sliders. They are great and wouldnt change a thing about them. Just frustrating that I cant work in a critical part of the game.

Yeah with guys in the low 80's I'm hesitant to even attempt a steal. I've got Jean Segura (82 speed) and I won't even try most the time. I have no issues stealing with Jarrod Dyson (96spd) and Dee Gordon (97spd) but that's to be expected obviously. I've considered raising steal success but don't feel like messing with anything. Otherwise I only steal with Segura when the guy at the plate is behind in the count and it's more likely that the CPU will try and bury something in the dirt to get a swinging miss.

[forme95]

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Yeah with guys in the low 80's I'm hesitant to even attempt a steal. I've got Jean Segura (82 speed) and I won't even try most the time. I have no issues stealing with Jarrod Dyson (96spd) and Dee Gordon (97spd) but that's to be expected obviously. I've considered raising steal success but don't feel like messing with anything. Otherwise I only steal with Segura when the guy at the plate is behind in the count and it's more likely that the CPU will try and bury something in the dirt to get a swinging miss.

Well the cpu already has no issue stealing a guy with 60 spd and 17 stl. So that iliminates changing any settings. Besides, I really don't think it's a settings issue. I have to be missing something. I'm 90% sure of the correct times to steal. I'm pretty good as that goes. Hence my example. I knew he would throw a out curve. Just frustrated. I'll work it out. Like I said, probably something I'm missing.

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[TheWarmWind]

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Yeah with guys in the low 80's I'm hesitant to even attempt a steal. I've got Jean Segura (82 speed) and I won't even try most the time. I have no issues stealing with Jarrod Dyson (96spd) and Dee Gordon (97spd) but that's to be expected obviously. I've considered raising steal success but don't feel like messing with anything. Otherwise I only steal with Segura when the guy at the plate is behind in the count and it's more likely that the CPU will try and bury something in the dirt to get a swinging miss.

Raising Baserunner Steal ability will help, but it will also help your opponents, so the question is: Are your opponents also having difficulty stealing?

I'm actually considering raising this, but only because the CPU is struggling as well. Just be aware, the CPU will know that stolen bases are easier, and will attempt to steal more if you raise this slider.

This means if you're seeing too few steal attempts out of your opponents, it might be because they know the chances of success are too low. So don't just consider the times they attempted to steal, think about their total stolen bases against you, and whether that should be higher or not.

[Chunky_Cracker]

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I'm now having trouble issuing/drawing walks consistently and neither I nor the CPU can strike out enough batters to be realistic.

Any suggestions?

[cable guy]

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Hey Armor, Great job on the sliders. I'm very late in getting the game. It is playing amazing. Best baseball game ever. And obviously made even better with your changes. Let me say, I'm absolutely loving classic pitching. Totally rating based, it's fabulous. Ive always used the meter. This is also the first year I've used behind my pitcher view. It's been a few years since I've played the Show, but it's like a totally new experience altogether. Hitting... I have had to raise my contact slider to 7, because I stink at hitting, and obviously that's on me. And that has helped. The low, out of strike zone, change-ups and curves are my biggest weakness, and just can not judge them. And can't find a camera angle that helps. But just wanted to say Thankyou for your sliders. I'll be posting here more.

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[wcu25rs]

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These sliders are totally not for you then. And the way it should be for you is not the way it should be for those that play with Classic.

We want dice roll results based on player ratings first and foremost. User control is also part of the process.....but not the end all be all.

Even in real life when you play ball.....the pitch does not always go where you want, the ball is not hit all the time on the screws, and you can make errors on routine grounders, flyballs and throws.

Classic pitching and Directional hitting are the only two interfaces I use because it allows me to:

1) Have a clean screen and that is a huge part of my enjoyment.
2) Simply play ball and allow player ratings to be the biggest factor in the dice roll result.

Because every interface still has a dice roll algorithm result, but the more user control the more it is based on the stick and timing skill.

I play baseball in real life and that is where I get my physical satisfaction of correct timing, throwing, fielding....and even then **** still happens.

On a video game I am trying to simulate what I see in the MLB on TV. Totally different than "playing" virtual baseball. It's all about what you are trying or wanting to get out of the game and what gives you enjoyment.

Which if that is your preferred method of playing....awesome. Pulse pitching, zone hitting....whatever it may be.

But what kinda annoys me these days and lately and is driving me to toss in the towel on sharing sliders is when people do not or refuse to read the OP top to bottom to understand how I play and design my settings, then come here and say....things like your bolded post.


It's too random for you. It's not working for you. It's not the way it should be for you.

Instead of wondering why.....read the OP. Then you will realize why Classic pitching is not your cup of tea. However I think I have a ton of followers who play and approach the way I play and hence why they enjoy the sliders and playing style.


And BTW I pitch really well on Classic......and it does have rhyme and reason....but it takes a ton of practice and feel to understand how to play with it. Random is exactly what baseball is most of the time. 162 games and all kinds of things happen over the course of the long season.

I pitch great with Aces.....but sometimes they will get lit up here and there. With 5th starters.....I am on the edge of seat as they get hit a lot more often.

Once I master a meter or a pulse....it can be a 5th starter or a middle reliever and I will pitch too good eventually.

So whatever is your cup of tea....so be it.

I created these sliders for those that want to play with those interfaces and enjoy the game to it's fullest using them.

I am sick and tired of posts dissing the very interfaces I design the settings for.

It's not productive and not needed in here. It serves zero purpose for this slider set.


And I am not going to debate the interfaces......why should we? Play the way you want man. Simple.

But saying this is the wrong way or it's not the way it should be?

Baaaaaaa.

Banta Fodder man. Move on to a different slider set thread that uses what you like.

Take care.

I was specifically responding to Chef and his issues with Classic and offering a suggestion that has worked well for me in conjuction with your sliders. Not once did I dig on your sliders at all....Ive been using them for the better part of my playing time on the Show. You put in a lot of work, and we're all appreciative, but you definitely possess a complex when it comes to this stuff, at times.

[Dragsy]

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Yeah with guys in the low 80's I'm hesitant to even attempt a steal. I've got Jean Segura (82 speed) and I won't even try most the time. I have no issues stealing with Jarrod Dyson (96spd) and Dee Gordon (97spd) but that's to be expected obviously. I've considered raising steal success but don't feel like messing with anything. Otherwise I only steal with Segura when the guy at the plate is behind in the count and it's more likely that the CPU will try and bury something in the dirt to get a swinging miss.

I'm surprised to see that. I finished my first season with the Mets and Reyes lead the league in steals with 77 speed. I guess I may try to steal more often than others as I'm still learning ideal steal situations, but I don't think he had a particularly high caught stealing percentage. If memory serves, success rate was about. 850

[Armor and Sword]

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Hey Armor, Great job on the sliders. I'm very late in getting the game. It is playing amazing. Best baseball game ever. And obviously made even better with your changes. Let me say, I'm absolutely loving classic pitching. Totally rating based, it's fabulous. Ive always used the meter. This is also the first year I've used behind my pitcher view. It's been a few years since I've played the Show, but it's like a totally new experience altogether. Hitting... I have had to raise my contact slider to 7, because I stink at hitting, and obviously that's on me. And that has helped. The low, out of strike zone, change-ups and curves are my biggest weakness, and just can not judge them. And can't find a camera angle that helps. But just wanted to say Thankyou for your sliders. I'll be posting here more.

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What’s up Cable Guy.

Try the Zoom Offset camera view for hitting. If you do use that then turn the runner windows on (you will need them to see your base runners).

That camera was what I used for 3 seasons then late in the 16 cycle I switched to the Fisheye and love it. But it is not for everyone.

Offset Zoom will give you better perspective IMO of being in the batters box and being able to pick up on low out of zone pitches much better if that is giving you fits.

[The Chef]

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I'm surprised to see that. I finished my first season with the Mets and Reyes lead the league in steals with 77 speed. I guess I may try to steal more often than others as I'm still learning ideal steal situations, but I don't think he had a particularly high caught stealing percentage. If memory serves, success rate was about. 850

To top it off I'm suddenly getting really bad jumps even when using manual steal. I release the trigger and there is a definite delay to them taking off when before I wasn't having this issue at all. Before I was only really having success with Dyson and Gordon but both have 97+ speed, now Gordon isn't just getting thrown out he's getting thrown out easily to the point the ball is at the bag before he's even gone into his slide at times. Throw in having been picked off 4 times in my first 10 games and all by pitchers who do not have the pick-off quirk, and stealing bases has become extremely difficult out of the blue.

[cable guy]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 17 Timed/Classic Simulation All-Star Slider

What’s up Cable Guy.

Try the Zoom Offset camera view for hitting. If you do use that then turn the runner windows on (you will need them to see your base runners).

That camera was what I used for 3 seasons then late in the 16 cycle I switched to the Fisheye and love it. But it is not for everyone.

Offset Zoom will give you better perspective IMO of being in the batters box and being able to pick up on low out of zone pitches much better if that is giving you fits.

Ok thanks, I'll try that out tonight. Hoping to get in at least 2 games

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[KayOtic723]

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To top it off I'm suddenly getting really bad jumps even when using manual steal. I release the trigger and there is a definite delay to them taking off when before I wasn't having this issue at all. Before I was only really having success with Dyson and Gordon but both have 97+ speed, now Gordon isn't just getting thrown out he's getting thrown out easily to the point the ball is at the bag before he's even gone into his slide at times. Throw in having been picked off 4 times in my first 10 games and all by pitchers who do not have the pick-off quirk, and stealing bases has become extremely difficult out of the blue.

You don't have to manually steals just tap L2 and hold L1 his jump will be a lot better the thing is if you are holding L1 when the pitcher throws over you will be out if I have a good base runner I tend not to even take an extra step off first just tap L2 then hold L1 till he takes off


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[forme95]

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You don't have to manually steals just tap L2 and hold L1 his jump will be a lot better the thing is if you are holding L1 when the pitcher throws over you will be out if I have a good base runner I tend not to even take an extra step off first just tap L2 then hold L1 till he takes off


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I thought that didn't work anymore.

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