Where Will Jake Peavy Land?

[Speedy]

Re: Where Will Jake Peavy Land?

I will gladly take the plagued vet!

Well maybe not plagued; I just associate injuries with him a lot (like Ben Sheets)...But I really think he's already past the prime of his career and Petco Park isn't exactly a hitter's haven so that helped his #'s overall a little

This year he had nearly a 4.50 ERA on the road and in 2006 he had a 4.50 ERA on the road as well...His road ERA from 2005-2008 is about 3.75 ERA away from Petco so I don't like giving up a bunch of prospects in that scenario

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Where Will Jake Peavy Land?

Well maybe not plagued; I just associate injuries with him a lot (like Ben Sheets)...But I really think he's already past the prime of his career and Petco Park isn't exactly a hitter's haven so that helped his #'s overall a little

This year he had nearly a 4.50 ERA on the road and in 2006 he had a 4.50 ERA on the road as well...His road ERA from 2005-2008 is about 3.75 ERA away from Petco so I don't like giving up a bunch of prospects in that scenario

27 year old past his prime... wat?

4.28 road ERA this year and in 2006, his worst season, 4.57. Your numbers for his collective road ERA from 2005-2008 are terribly skewed by those two seasons... look up his other three seasons since PetCo Park opened. The ERA difference is at most .17 and those three seasons his ERA was below 3, regardless of venue.

Stop discrediting Peavy. It's already bad enough that you think he's past his prime.

[Speedy]

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27 year old past his prime... wat?

4.28 road ERA this year and in 2006, his worst season, 4.57. Your numbers for his collective road ERA from 2005-2008 are terribly skewed by those two seasons... look up his other three seasons since PetCo Park opened. The ERA difference is at most .17 and those three seasons his ERA was below 3, regardless of venue.

Stop discrediting Peavy. It's already bad enough that you think he's past his prime.

Hey man, Peavy's a good pitcher but I don't think he's worth the risk in my perspective for all of the prospects SD will require. How many years are left on his contact anyway?

[Stroehms]

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Agree they'll probably be gunshy after the way the Mulder deal blew up in our faces, that said we did atleast get a world series with it, although Mulder didn't contribute much to it.

Our farm system is actually getting some pretty good depth though, much better than the situation we were in when we made the Mulder trade so we can afford to make a deal.

It would take Rasmus and two good pitching prospects though to get it done, depending on who the pitchers would be involved it wouldn't be that bad of a deal, anytime you can land a pitcher as dominant as Peavy you pretty much have to do it. Losing Rasmus sucks due to his potential but you never know how that potential will turn out, plus his dad has been mouthing off about the way the organization has handled moving him up (dad thinks he should be in the big leagues).

I agree with you I think he ends up in Atlanta, but Mozeliak needs to put his stamp on this organization sooner or later with a big trade, this would be the perfect time to do so, give us a Peavy/Wainwright 1-2 punch for years to come, looks good to me.

Agreed.

But reports today out of St. Louis is that the trade talks start and stop at the Padres wanting Adam Wainright.

I would not trade Adam, a potential CY candidate who is signed long term (and cheap if I might add), for a pitcher who has the track record of dominance in the weak NL west.

I'm not saying Peavy couldn't handle the NL Central or any other division, but he faces the weakest division a good chunk of his starts.

I for one, would rather see Matt Cain in a Cardinal uniform.

Make it happen MO

[Stroehms]

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Hey man, Peavy's a good pitcher but I don't think he's worth the risk in my perspective for all of the prospects SD will require. How many years are left on his contact anyway?

Through 2012, with an option for 2013


2009 … 2010 … 2011 … 2012 … 2013

Jake Peavy … $8m … $15m … $16m … $17m … $22m*

[BatsareBugs]

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Hey man, Peavy's a good pitcher but I don't think he's worth the risk in my perspective for all of the prospects SD will require. How many years are left on his contact anyway?

4 years plus an option year. Someone already beat me to it.

[BatsareBugs]

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Agreed.

But reports today out of St. Louis is that the trade talks start and stop at the Padres wanting Adam Wainright.

I would not trade Adam, a potential CY candidate who is signed long term (and cheap if I might add), for a pitcher who has the track record of dominance in the weak NL west.

I'm not saying Peavy couldn't handle the NL Central or any other division, but he faces the weakest division a good chunk of his starts.

I for one, would rather see Matt Cain in a Cardinal uniform.

Make it happen MO

What different does Matt Cain make? Does he not pitch in the same "weak NL west"?

And btw, career splits show that Jake has done more dominating outside the NL West. I would agree if his career ERA against NL West teams was significantly lower against the other teams in this league, but it's not. And btw, what's wrong with someone dominating their division? Isn't a great player expected to do so?

All these arguments against Peavy are pretty interesting and unexpected, someone throw out the playoff card argument... please!!!

[Stroehms]

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What different does Matt Cain make? Does he not pitch in the same "weak NL west"?

And btw, career splits show that Jake has done more dominating outside the NL West. I would agree if his career ERA against NL West teams was significantly lower against the other teams in this league, but it's not. And btw, what's wrong with someone dominating their division? Isn't a great player expected to do so?

All these arguments against Peavy are pretty interesting and unexpected, someone throw out the playoff card argument... please!!!

Lol. No. I was just saying I would prefer having Cain on the Cardinals than Peavy. Less money, good numbers. Cardinals could use the saved money elsewhere, IE: a Shortstop.

I don't know why I prefer Cain over Peavy. Just a gut feeling. Stats not involved.

I wasn't trying to argue against my team getting him. I don't expect us to, so I'm trying to down play the hype that he has.

Who wouldn't want a Cy Young favorite every year on their team?

[BatsareBugs]

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Who wouldn't want a Cy Young favorite every year on their team?

The Padres.

[chilli311]

Re: Where Will Jake Peavy Land?

It's down to Houston, Chicago, and Los Angeles. I think it was stated earlier that the Cardinals are out of the running.

I don't think Peavy will be going anywhere since teams are reluctant to part with players and the fact that Peavy has pretty much put out a "don't trade me."

Right, I know Atlanta and St. Louis are basically out, but those are the only five teams I saw that he would waive the no-trade clause for. That's why I listed all of them.

I hope he doesn't leave, but I'd be upset to see this whole mess affect his performance too. Would you want to play for a team that can't show you loyalty?

[rsox]

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Peavy has gone 25-12 against the NL Central and 14-16 against the NL East in his career so it seems he would do better in the Central division if he leaves the West.

Matt Cain would probably be a Cy Young contender if he played for St.Louis, or any other team that could actually score some runs for him. However, you are more likely to get Zito away from the Giants than Cain right now.

[Stroehms]

Re: Where Will Jake Peavy Land?

Peavy has gone 25-12 against the NL Central and 14-16 against the NL East in his career so it seems he would do better in the Central division if he leaves the West.

Matt Cain would probably be a Cy Young contender if he played for St.Louis, or any other team that could actually score some runs for him. However, you are more likely to get Zito away from the Giants than Cain right now.

I think you're wrong. With Zito's 17 million dollar contrac. Who's going to be willing to trade something for basically a throw-away-game relief pitcher getting paid boocoo bucks? No one.

[rsox]

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I think you're wrong. With Zito's 17 million dollar contrac. Who's going to be willing to trade something for basically a throw-away-game relief pitcher getting paid boocoo bucks? No one.

Actually my point was that the Giants are not going to be willing to trade Cain but would be more than willing to trade Zito. Hence why you would be more likely to get Zito than Cain.

[Stroehms]

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Actually my point was that the Giants are not going to be willing to trade Cain but would be more than willing to trade Zito. Hence why you would be more likely to get Zito than Cain.

Gotcha. But both would be tough to trade.

[rsox]

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Gotcha. But both would be tough to trade.

True.