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  • BunnyHardaway
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    • Nov 2004
    • 15195

    #676
    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

    Originally posted by DamnYanks2
    No on Giles.

    Adrian Beltre? I say yes, I think his defense gets him in, but he could still use a few more years.
    The best defensive 3B I can think of other than Brooks Robinson and has been an extremely good/elite offensive 3B. Yes.

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    • 24
      Forever A Legend
      • Sep 2008
      • 2809

      #677
      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

      Originally posted by JJLinn
      The best defensive 3B I can think of other than Brooks Robinson and has been an extremely good/elite offensive 3B. Yes.
      Mike Schmidt?


      As for Munson he gets my vote. He has the 4th Highest WAR per game for catchers. He beats out Bill Dickey, Roy Campanella, Gary Carter and Yogi Berra who are all in the Hall.


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      • Stroehms
        MVP
        • Jan 2008
        • 2640

        #678
        Originally posted by JJLinn
        The best defensive 3B I can think of other than Brooks Robinson and has been an extremely good/elite offensive 3B. Yes.
        Scott Rolen?

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        • 55
          Banned
          • Mar 2006
          • 20857

          #679
          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

          Originally posted by Stroehms
          Scott Rolen?
          He also has my vote, simply because 3B is so underrepresented in the HoF.

          Plus, he also has 70ish WAR.

          Beltre is actually neck and neck with him defensively, though. They are/were both elite defenders.

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          • AC
            Win the East
            • Sep 2010
            • 14951

            #680
            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

            Scott Rolen was a privilege to watch. He hit pretty damn well in his year and a half as a Blue Jay, and his glove was one of the best I've ever seen. A Rolen/Scutaro/Hill/Overbay infield is still the best defensive IF I've seen to date (in person obviously). When he did request a trade, he did so quietly and wasn't a distraction. He also brought back the key to the Rasmus deal (Zack Stewart), a decent prospect (Josh Roenicke, who obviously busted), and our current beast of a 1B/DH Edwin Encarnacion.

            70 fWAR, 155 (!) fielding runs, 122 wRC+, .368 wOBA. Absolute lock for me.


            Who's hat do you guys think he will/would go in wearing? IIRC him and LaRussa had a falling out so I don't think he would go in as a Cardinal. Obviously he wasn't with the Reds very long and wasn't at his peak with them, same with the Jays. I would bet Phillies.
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            • 55
              Banned
              • Mar 2006
              • 20857

              #681
              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

              Originally posted by ACMilan99
              Who's hat do you guys think he will/would go in wearing? IIRC him and LaRussa had a falling out so I don't think he would go in as a Cardinal. Obviously he wasn't with the Reds very long and wasn't at his peak with them, same with the Jays. I would bet Phillies.
              Well, he played more games as a Phillie than as a Cardinal, but the only postseason success he had was in St Louis. He played in two World Series as a member of the Cardinals, including winning one.

              I'd say the odds are:

              Cardinals: 55%
              Phillies: 45%

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              • WaitTilNextYear
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                • Mar 2013
                • 16830

                #682
                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                Bobby Bonds??
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                • BleacherBum2310
                  All Star
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 7107

                  #683
                  Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                  Originally posted by Stroehms
                  Scott Rolen?
                  Absolute yes for me. His 2004 season sure was something.

                  But his defense, as a Cub fan ugh It was soo good.
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                  • 55
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 20857

                    #684
                    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                    Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                    Bobby Bonds??
                    Nope. He stayed on the ballot for 11 years, though and I have no issue with that.

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                    • DamnYanks2
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 20794

                      #685
                      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                      Absolutely on Rolen, he was a better hitter then Brooks, and almost equal with the glove. Rolen should be a lock. You hear that you BBWA jackasses.

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                      • WaitTilNextYear
                        Go Cubs Go
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 16830

                        #686
                        Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                        Not liking your post for the Rolen argument (I'm neutral on him), but because you're telling BBWAA they can go **** *** in *** **** in their *** *** ****** *** all day. That I can dig.
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                        • wwharton
                          *ll St*r
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 26949

                          #687
                          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                          Originally posted by ACMilan99
                          Oh, I wouldn't go quite that far. Tex has always been an excellent defensive first baseman and has been a bit better offensively than Dunn. They get on base exactly the same amount (.368 for both of them, cool!), but Tex strikes out less and has more gap power while walking a good amount. Tex usually wOBA's much better than Dunn, as well.

                          He's certainly not "just as big a no" to me, but he's a still a no. Dunn is just absolutely nowhere near close lol.
                          Originally posted by 55
                          Teixeira: 40.8 WAR, .381 wOBA, 131 wRC+, 55.6 FLD.

                          Dunn: 23.7 WAR, .371 wOBA, 124 wRC+, -127.8 FLD.

                          Teixeira has been nearly twice as valuable overall in around 1500 less PA than Dunn. Dunn is also a historically terrible fielder, while Teixeira has been one of the best gloves at first base for a decade.

                          I'm not saying that Teixeira is a sure fire Hall of Famer, but his case is much more compelling than Dunn's.
                          May not have been clear but I didn't mean for them to be compared... in fact putting either up for comparison at all is my problem. Neither one of the guys even belong in this thread. It's like just throwing names out. Brady Anderson? Michael Young? George Costanza? Like I said, maybe someone has a case that would change my opinion on Teix but I find it hard to see why he would even be mentioned... much like Dunn.

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                          • G3no_11
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 1110

                            #688
                            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                            Originally posted by wwharton
                            It's like just throwing names out. Brady Anderson? Michael Young? George Costanza?
                            Juan Pierre?
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                            • WaitTilNextYear
                              Go Cubs Go
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 16830

                              #689
                              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                              Originally posted by wwharton
                              May not have been clear but I didn't mean for them to be compared... in fact putting either up for comparison at all is my problem. Neither one of the guys even belong in this thread. It's like just throwing names out. Brady Anderson? Michael Young? George Costanza? Like I said, maybe someone has a case that would change my opinion on Teix but I find it hard to see why he would even be mentioned... much like Dunn.
                              That's a bit extreme. Dunn has well over 400 HRs (how many guys over 400 aren't in the HOF? a few dozen only? if that?) and a 125 OPS+, 5 consecutive years of 40+ HRs, over 13 years and he's still playing. Not really a scattershot guy to mention, although none of us think he belongs because his abysmal defense and being 4th all time in striking out for starters.

                              Similar thing with Tex (341 HRs and a 130 OPS+, near .900 career OPS), an all-star level player for a decade is worth at least broaching the idea of the HoF, in my opinion.


                              Originally posted by G3no_11
                              Juan Pierre?
                              Lock.
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                              • KMRblue1027
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 1029

                                #690
                                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                                Why is Pierre a lock? Because he's the kind of guy that the BBWAA would vote for or what?
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