The Biogenesis/Suspension thread

[roadman]

Re: The Biogenesis/Suspension thread

Corked bats, stealing signs, etc. bend/break the rules of the game. We've all done something like that to some sort of extent when playing games.

PED use is against federal law. To compare the 2 is IMO ridiculous.

Isn't amphetamines against the federal law, too?

[C the Lyte]

Re: The Biogenesis/Suspension thread

Isn't amphetamines against the federal law, too?

Use of any controlled substance not prescribed is against the law.

[roadman]

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Use of any controlled substance not prescribed is against the law.

Here is an article, 3 yrs after the drug policy was put in by baseball.

Amphetamines are still being used in sports, including baseball.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/report-amphetamines-play-mlb-article-1.422911

"It seems to me as an internist, that's a disproportionate number of adults with ADD requiring stimulants — roughly 10% of the league. I've seen a lot of adults (as patients) and I can count on one hand the number of people I've seen with ADD," said Wadler, who is chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency's Prohibited List and Methods Committee. "Since so many (players) received TUEs, it's crying out for close examination of the TUE process for baseball and how it stacks up against the international standard. I don't know that there's an epidemic of ADD in baseball."

[G3no_11]

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ADD meds aren't really comparable to steroids. Pretty lost where this fits into this discussion.

[ImTellinTim]

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ADD meds aren't really comparable to steroids. Pretty lost where this fits into this discussion.

They absolutely are in a sport where improved concentration and alertness can be the difference between being dialed in at the plate and making outs. Especially when you're having a "down" day in a long stretch of games.

[slickdtc]

I think they fit right in. I know Carlos Ruiz got a nice suspension for taking Adderall. Besides strength, focus is huge in baseball. It's almost like the mental side of the game to PED's physical side.

Over the course of 162 games, playing every day pretty much for half a year, factoring in flights, extra innings, double headers, dealing with the media, etc. It has to be exhausting. I'm surprised not more guys get busted for things like that. And I'd imagine they're a lot easier to obtain then steroids.

[G3no_11]

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I'm going to disagree. I get that amphetamines can give you an advantage but I think that advantage is being over exaggerated when it is put in the same class of using steroids. Just my opinion though. And really I was just confused how this even got brought.

[ImTellinTim]

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Well, some would say that the effect of HGH is exaggerated and only gets this much press and vitriol because of a perceived assault on the precious home run record. While at the same time you have guys going out and making bogus claims to get prescriptions for Adderall. If the game was really out to clean itself, why doesn't it go the full mile? I think it's a valid discussion to have, and we should be questioning why sportswriters pick and choose what to be sanctimonious about.

[G3no_11]

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What makes you think they aren't going the full mile? You can get suspended for taking the wrong cold medicine. What would you suggest? Have multiple doctors examine those who have been prescribed Adderall?

[roadman]

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What makes you think they aren't going the full mile? You can get suspended for taking the wrong cold medicine. What would you suggest? Have multiple doctors examine those who have been prescribed Adderall?

So, you don't feel that a baseball player can't beg his doctor for Adderall while claiming he has ADD?

I feel that anyone that is turning a blind eye to amphetamines is similar to ignoring PED's.

[G3no_11]

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So, you don't feel that a baseball player can't beg his doctor for Adderall while claiming he has ADD?

I feel that anyone that is turning a blind eye to amphetamines is similar to ignoring PED's.

Where in my quote did I say that? I was just asking what more could be done about Adderall? It's pretty tough to crack down on it when it is so accessible, even legally.

[roadman]

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Where in my quote did I say that? I was just asking what more could be done about Adderall? It's pretty tough to crack down on it when it is so accessible, even legally.

I'm going off this statement of yours:

I think that advantage is being over exaggerated when it is put in the same class of using steroids.

Elevated and illegal alertness is just as much as an advantage of adding a bit of extra muscle.

As far as your question what can be done about it.

How about as strict of testing of players who really need Adderall vs those that don't.

[G3no_11]

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I'm going off this statement of yours:

I think that advantage is being over exaggerated when it is put in the same class of using steroids.

Elevated and illegal alertness is just as much as an advantage of adding a bit of extra muscle.

As far as your question what can be done about it.

How about as strict of testing of players who really need Adderall vs those that don't.

Well that is just my personal opinion. I am not turning a blind eye to amphetamines, I just don't think it gives as great of an advantage.

The testing issue is tough. Adderall is basically like the medical marijuana of sports. It's extremely accessible and in some cases, legal.

[roadman]

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Well that is just my personal opinion. I am not turning a blind eye to amphetamines, I just don't think it gives as great of an advantage.

The testing issue is tough. Adderall is basically like the medical marijuana of sports. It's extremely accessible and in some cases, legal.

I understand, just disagree with you.

I don't feel PED's gives as great of an advantage.

[slickdtc]

The Biogenesis/Suspension thread

Amphetamines may be even more of an epidemic and problem then 'roids for a bunch of reasons. The accessibility, for sure. But it's just pop one and the effects are there. Steroids, contrary to popular belief, you still have to work your *** off for them to make a significant impact in your performance. And like said, being able to collect more hits over hit more home runs is probably more beneficial to the team and can still help a guy cash in. Just not as glamorous.

If I was a ball player and someone offered me either, I'd go for the amphetamines. For focus, reduced wear and tear, and seems to be less side effects (as far as I know, and I don't know much about the side effects of steroids outside of the general shrinking package, heart problems, etc).