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I don’t see any need to move the mound back. The DH rule sounds interesting but I’d prefer leaving that as is

[canes21]

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The double hook idea isn't the worst, but I see no reason why people are trying to force the NL to have a DH of some sorts. Are we really dying to see NL teams score an extra 3 runs per month?

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[Majingir]

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The double hook idea isn't the worst, but I see no reason why people are trying to force the NL to have a DH of some sorts. Are we really dying to see NL teams score an extra 3 runs per month?

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It's more about pitchers being the weak spot in 99% of lineups, and lessening the workload of pitchers, which would reduce the risk of injuries. All while creating more jobs on the roster for hitters.

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It's more about pitchers being the weak spot in 99% of lineups, and lessening the workload of pitchers, which would reduce the risk of injuries. All while creating more jobs on the roster for hitters.

Is that the new narrative that's being pushed now? It's for the pitcher's health and to create more openings for hitters?

I guess those are better arguments than the old argument of wanting more offense when the differences were negligible. I'm not buying it will reduce injuries by much if at all. Is there any actual science showing a pitcher getting 2 ABs a game is increasing his injury chances a substantial amount?

As far as creating more jobs for hitters. Lol, we hardly have enough players in the league right now that can hit for a decent clip. Who is out there that can hit and isn't on a bench already?

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Is that the new narrative that's being pushed now? It's for the pitcher's health and to create more openings for hitters?

I guess those are better arguments than the old argument of wanting more offense when the differences were negligible. I'm not buying it will reduce injuries by much if at all. Is there any actual science showing a pitcher getting 2 ABs a game is increasing his injury chances a substantial amount?

As far as creating more jobs for hitters. Lol, we hardly have enough players in the league right now that can hit for a decent clip. Who is out there that can hit and isn't on a bench already?

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It will just push the worst fielder on the team to the DH spot while a bench player with a good glove that can’t hit gets the start in the field. It devalues the need for a good bench too since there will be much less pinch hitting

[Jr.]

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Atlantic League adding 2 new "experimental rules" this year:

"Double-hook" rule for the DH, meaning that once your starting pitcher comes out you lose the DH

And they are moving the mound back 1 foot for the 2nd half of the season. As a former college pitcher myself, I am very much opposed to this one.

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If you stood on a mound that's 60'6" or one that's 61'6" and weren't told the distance, could you actually tell which is which?

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If you stood on a mound that's 60'6" or one that's 61'6" and weren't told the distance, could you actually tell which is which?

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I feel like the second you tried to throw any type of breaking ball you would immediately notice the difference.

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[Majingir]

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It will just push the worst fielder on the team to the DH spot while a bench player with a good glove that can’t hit gets the start in the field. It devalues the need for a good bench too since there will be much less pinch hitting

If they go with the DHDH rule, pinch hitting will be key in late parts of the game.

[Blzer]

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If you stood on a mound that's 60'6" or one that's 61'6" and weren't told the distance, could you actually tell which is which?

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I could tell if I was pitching. My pitches wouldn't reach the same part of the plate, or they'd be pulling the ball more or whatever. Heck, I'd also probably even notice from pickoffs that the angle would be slightly different (just from peeking out of the corner in my eye being slightly easier).

Now, considering this is only a 1.65% difference I'm not going to say that it's substantial, but I can immediately tell the difference in softball between 40' (12U), 43' (older & high school), and 46' (some slow pitch). I mean from 40' to 43' is 7.5% different, so maybe that's much more obvious.

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If they go with the DHDH rule, pinch hitting will be key in late parts of the game.

Like it already is before the meaningless change. I guess if we were forced to have DH in both leagues I'd prefer this be the way both leagues have it, but baseball is fine the way it is set up now. Pitchers hitting in the NL is not why the MLB is failing in other areas.

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[Blzer]

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I did a number crunch, and I'll just say this:

This year, all pitchers collectively have a higher OPS than Martin Maldonado, Josh Rojas, Leury Garcia, and Leody Taveras (they all have 30+ PA I believe). Madison Bumgarner is ripping it with a .733 OPS right now. I think I've seen pretty much all 12 RBI by pitchers as well, and they've all been exciting moments.

I regret nothing about seeing no DH this year in the NL, or for the foreseeable future. The pinch-hit game has been strong, as have been the double-switches, dekes on deck, keeping the pitcher in to keep pitching afterward (or pulling him, just that decision being made), the leadoff hitter spot mattering much more once again, etc.

[Jr.]

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I feel like the second you tried to throw any type of breaking ball you would immediately notice the difference.

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And it would take maybe 10-15 pitches to adjust. It's really not that tough. Guys throw pitches from different distances all the time while warming up. They're good enough athletes to adjust after a pretty short amount of time

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And it would take maybe 10-15 pitches to adjust. It's really not that tough. Guys throw pitches from different distances all the time while warming up. They're good enough athletes to adjust after a pretty short amount of time

It's a little more effort though, and it would build up over time. They'd also be overcompensating because they still would want to blow it by hitters.

Timing a hit by a one foot difference makes the difference between... well, you know that difference. The point is it would mean so much more offense from a timing basis. Pitches may be more effective low in the zone though, so who knows really. I think it would make a big difference, and heck it could lead to more stolen bases as well.

Again, one foot isn't that much... but I think that it would change the game. Not as much as juiced baseballs or anything like that, but I don't think it would be small.

Sadly, I don't think this one foot of difference would protect pitchers much more from 110+ MPH comebackers.

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I feel like the one foot difference would kill sinkerballers

[kehlis]

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This change was also determined to be safe, as it does not require the pitcher to alter pitching mechanics and there is no evidence of increased injury risk. The American Sports Medicine Institute ("ASMI") conducted a study in October of 2019 that measured the impact of pitching distance on biomechanics. In the study, high-level collegiate baseball players threw from distances of 60'6", 62'6", and 63'8". No significant differences in key measures of rotational motion (kinetics) or acceleration (kinematics) were observed among the varying pitching distances. In addition, ball velocity and strike percentage remained consistent.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-experimenting-with-moving-back-pitchers-mound-as-part-of-atlantic-league-rule-changes/

In my college years I have no doubt I played at fields with less than accurate measurements. I could always tell when I was closer to the plate than I should have been but never when I was too far away.

It didn't take long to make necessary adjustments in any case. As pitchers, we're used to adjusting on the fly and making mechanical changes on a day to day basis.

It would be change no doubt, but wouldn't have a lasting impact.


I don't however think it will lead to more balls in play like they hope. I still stand behind my opinion that that is caused primarily because of hitters taking counts deeper than they ever used to.