**The Official New York Yankees Thread**

[DieHardYankee26]

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They apparently offered him 5/100. At no point in this offseason would anyone have thought that deal was going to get it done. Someone being a big fan matters but not when you don't offer them a decent deal. He's probably a big enough fan to know when the team you've watched spend your whole life isn't serious about having you on the team. They weren't serious about upgrading our biggest need through free agency, hard to see them spending big money on anyone. At this point I'm convinced there's some insane revenue from the Wild Card game.

He's better than Porcello and David Price. Porcello is insanely overrated, he had one great year and a bunch of mediocre ones and his great one wasn't as good as Corbin's last season. His best value is he's reliable to eat up innings, and he's getting paid 21 mil. David Price hasn't been better than Corbin for like 3 years, he's making 31 mil.

Do you remember how terrible Tanaka was in the first half this season? 3-3 with a 3.89 would be welcome. Paxton might not make it 10 starts before he needs to go on the DL. Someone else got our guy and we let them. I think the contract looks bigger than it is because we haven't updated our mental numbers. We gave CC 23 mil in 2008, the team made 375 mil that year. He was obviously much better, but if he was a free agent now (in his prime) he'd get a Greinke deal. Yankees are going to clear 625 mil this year. We have more payroll restrictions now than 10 years ago and we just spent the last few offseasons trying to get under the tax. It doesn't make sense.

Is the contract a massive risk? Yes. Is it one we could afford? Yes. Is there a secondary option that's even close to as good? No. I'm not convinced there's any moves we can make with the kind of upside to change the trajectory of this team. We just have to hope for health with a team full of guys we know won't stay healthy.

[CMH]

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I think the Yankees would have offered more if they felt it would have mattered.

140 over 6 is insane for Corbin. He's only getting that money because he's the only pitcher on the market worth a damn. He's no CC when he was available. He's not even David Price who had an actual career of dominance behind his big contract.

I like Corbin too. But he's Javier Vazquez-esque with his past performance. Way too much money to risk over one good year.

I know Corbin last year is better than maybe anyone on the Yankees last year. But I'm cool with Cashman also being conservative about upgrading. You don't overpay someone just because they are better than what you have. You overpay elite.

But maybe Corbin ends up being Matt Scherzer and we talk about how Cashman underrated Corbin during negotiations. I guess we have to see.

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[DieHardYankee26]

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It's going to be 140 over like 10 because they defer money. They'll probably pay him like 18 mil per year while he's actually on the team, Scherzer's deal had 105 mil deferred. He's not CC when he was on the market, that's what I'm saying. CC would've got 35 mil a year. He's not getting paid like CC or Price. He's getting paid what a number 2 starter can command on the open market. 23.5 mil a year is not that much. That's a mil and a half more than Tanaka. AJ Burnett's 2008 offseason deal taken as part of revenue would've been a 26.6 mil per year deal in this offseason.

[Qdiddy]

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Your trying to justify paying Corbin more based on what Porcello got? When you start over paying because of your opponents payout to mediocre talent or simply because of your net revenue is reckless in both the short and long term.

Corbin is not better then Tanaka, he’s not even better then Happ who has an established record in the A.L East year after year.

I will say we will just have to agree to disagree but no way do I think Corbin is worth more simply because someone else got more that’s equal to more mediocre in talent, that’s bad business.


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[DieHardYankee26]

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Bad business? We haven't won the division in 6 years and we're talking about bad business?!?



**** it, we'll give the accountant's rings.

[Qdiddy]

**The Official New York Yankees Thread**

Right so the answer is overpay mediocre aging talent so we can in 3 years go back to what made us not win in so many years, high priced past it’s prime talent.

Severing, Tanaka, Paxton, C.C, Lynn, Montgomery is more then capable rotation, Corbin isn’t an upgrade from them he’s a lateral addition

3 key hits in the Redsox series wins that series instead they made outs, that’s offense not pitching

We won 100 games last year, 99 out of 100 times that’s a division but Boston had a magical year. The Yankees are younger, cheaper and more talented right now as they age breakup and get really expensive

But hey you keep thinking a 1 year wonder in Corbin is some kind of game changer


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[DieHardYankee26]

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It's crazy how the Red Sox have had 3 "once in a lifetime" seasons in 15 years and we're running Lance Lynn out as our 5th starter.

[CMH]

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It's crazy how the Red Sox have had 3 "once in a lifetime" seasons in 15 years and we're running Lance Lynn out as our 5th starter.

The Yankees have had 4 in the last 20 years.

Two of the richest, best run franchises in the league are going to eat a chunk of the championships. The Red Sox just happen to have it go their way for once. The SF Giants are recently more successful than Boston.

It'll fall in the Yankees favor eventually so long as they keep winning 90 games every year.

I like those chances.

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[DieHardYankee26]

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Those dynasty teams weren't "lucky", nor was the 2009 team. Braves had a string of 90 win seasons. Didn't do them much good.

We have a chance to be the Rams, and push while we have our young core, and possibly build a dynasty before their prices go up, and instead...our bullpen may or may not look as good as it did last year, then next year Chapman opts out and Betances is a free agent, Tanaka a free agent the year after that...

Our ace was terrible in the second half, our #2's career high in IP is 160, our #3 was terrible in the first half...I dunno. I just don't see it. Guess we'll roll the dice again while Judge is getting paid pennies.

[Rocket32]

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Those dynasty teams weren't "lucky", nor was the 2009 team. Braves had a string of 90 win seasons. Didn't do them much good.

We have a chance to be the Rams, and push while we have our young core, and possibly build a dynasty before their prices go up, and instead...our bullpen may or may not look as good as it did last year, then next year Chapman opts out and Betances is a free agent, Tanaka a free agent the year after that...

Our ace was terrible in the second half, our #2's career high in IP is 160, our #3 was terrible in the first half...I dunno. I just don't see it. Guess we'll roll the dice again while Judge is getting paid pennies.

Exactly, we need to be taking advantage of the time we have before guys like Judge start making real money. I do understand not wanting to go 6 years for Corbin but I’m not liking the way this offseason appears to be going. Red Sox are about to get Eovaldi back and I just can’t see the Yankees touching Keuchel. So J.A. Happ here we come I geuss. Is basically only adding Paxton really enough? If Hal was going to be cheap in free agency they should’ve at least went for the best available starter on the trade market, Kluber.


Lol maybe adding the Stanton contract last year is where most of the planned spending money for this offseason went.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Phillies outbid us and gave Happ the third year he wants (he's 36 btw, our best fallback option).

I may or may not believe in a conspiracy that Hal is trying to stop us from winning the WS so that the city will eat Stanton alive and he opts out of the last thousand years of his contract in 2 years.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Bryce update:

Cashman pretty much ruled out Harper: “The Harper stuff, I’m surprised you are still asking.”

Brian Cashman indicated that Bryce Harper isn’t a fit for the #Yankees. Said the team already has six outfielders and that playing Harper at first base isn’t realistic.

Those 6 outfielders keeping Bryce Harper off the team? Judge, Hicks (in last year of deal), Stanton.......Gardner (clearly in decline).....................Clint Frazier? (may or may not remember his own name)..........................JACOBY ELLSBURY?!?!? (an actual ****ing corpse)

I'll save my rant for later. The more I think about it he has to be kidding. He can't possibly think, within 6 months of playing Shane Robinson regularly and having to trade for another outfielder because Gardner couldn't hit, that this makes any sense.

[CMH]

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I do agree though I can understand if it's Cashman deciding the money isn't worth the trouble to him.

But if they sign Harper then it's just a three man corner outfield of Stanton, Judge and Harper with each rotating in and out of DH for rest. Let Hicks man CF and you have Gardner for special cases.

Ellsbury is not playing. And I would rather the Yankees just look at trade options for Clint Frazier. I like Frazier but the team is reaching a boiling point with its talent and Frazier is two years behind expectations because of limited space and injury. He's not Greg Bird but he's running out of time on a team ready to go prime time.

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[DieHardYankee26]

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It's like the things he's saying are true... But the reasoning behind it isn't there, and that makes me wonder how much is a smokescreen. There's definitely an argument to be made we don't need or have room for Bryce, but Ellsbury and Frazier aren't in it, and everyone knows that. It's not insane to think we don't need a Machado and can fill that hole in the short term, but if that's the case why talk to Machado's agent so many times? And the team sitting Andujar in an elimination playoff game says everything that should need to be said about their confidence in his glove.

David Robertson's name keeps floating around for other teams, we need to lock him up, or find someone to replace him if not. I saw on MLBN one of the panelists predicted Happ to the Phillies, 3 years... 65 mil. 20+ mil per year for 36 year old, 3 WAR Happ in a likely decline. That can't be what he's lined up to get, but if it is, makes the Corbin deal look even more palatable lol.

[KCowse]

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“If something doesn’t make sense today, it doesn’t mean it won’t make sense tomorrow.” “You know where my focuses are, but at the same time we’re a fully operational Death Star”
Cashman may not sign anyone, but it looks like he’s interested in starting his own line of Yogi-isms.


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