**The Official New York Yankees Thread**

[DieHardYankee26]

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Red Sox are 9 outs away.

**** it. Sign Bryce, Manny, and Corbin.

[DamnYanks2]

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I don't want kershaw I know that.

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[DamnYanks2]

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Who do you suggest? Watching the playoffs anyone outside of Verlander is no more a sure thing then what we have now and imo not worth giving up top prospects for, hitting lost the Boston series not pitching, we had plenty of opportunities with guys on and 1 or less outs,, minus the blowout game we were 1 or 2 hits away from winning that series


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I don't know and that's what sucks. The free agent pitching market is pretty uninspiring. Kershaw doesn't interest me the slightest. Corbin is the one guy I'd like to have. But does that make us WS favorites? Nah.

I hope Cashman has something up his sleeve. I really do. Do we sign Happ back. Meh. Maybe.

Severino
Corbin
Happ
Tanaka
Jomo
C.C
Gray/Sheffield/Losiaga/German?

That's not terrible but it's not special either.

Definitely the weakest part to this team and even though we are getting more bullpen oriented. I despise that we barely have any pitchers that are workhorses on this team. They don't go deep into games and that's a problem.

I do wonder if Gray would get some interest packaged with Frazier in a deal.






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[DieHardYankee26]

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I don't think Kershaw opts out (to leave) nor do I think he'd be worth what he'll get outside of LA but man... He's only a year older than Corbin. Wish he didn't have all the injury concerns, or if a short term mega AAV deal can get done, but this just reeks of a mid-2000s free agent signing blow up.

[DamnYanks2]

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I don't think Kershaw opts out (to leave) nor do I think he'd be worth what he'll get outside of LA but man... He's only a year older than Corbin. Wish he didn't have all the injury concerns, or if a short term mega AAV deal can get done, but this just reeks of a mid-2000s free agent signing blow up.

If he doesn't that might mean he's worried about his back. Cant see why Kershaw doesn't hit the open market. Some team is gonna throw alot of money at him.

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[Qdiddy]

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I don't know and that's what sucks. The free agent pitching market is pretty uninspiring. Kershaw doesn't interest me the slightest. Corbin is the one guy I'd like to have. But does that make us WS favorites? Nah.

I hope Cashman has something up his sleeve. I really do. Do we sign Happ back. Meh. Maybe.

Severino
Corbin
Happ
Tanaka
Jomo
C.C
Gray/Sheffield/Losiaga/German?

That's not terrible but it's not special either.

Definitely the weakest part to this team and even though we are getting more bullpen oriented. I despise that we barely have any pitchers that are workhorses on this team. They don't go deep into games and that's a problem.

I do wonder if Gray would get some interest packaged with Frazier in a deal.






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I think the old school route of “the horse” as a starter is flawed nowadays. Look at what won the whole thing for Boston, it was putting the ball in play, relentless patients at the plate, putting guys on and keeping pressure on the other team to execute flawlessly. Think back to the great Yankee teams of the late 90’s, that was their same M.O, Redsox hitters don’t strike out, Hou was same way last year.

Yes starting pitching is important still but what starters went deep? Even The best ones (Kershaw, Sale) got rocked, and they are generational talents.

Consistent contact, base runners, ball in play, and stream of pitchers able to execute when called on is the key, it’s worked 2 years in a row now.

HR hitters don’t hit HR’s in the playoffs, it’s been true forever. Yea they get 1 maybe 2 then strikeout all the other at bats, especially when guys on base and all you need is a sac fly or single

Overpaying for a “horse” starter is fools gold, changing the hitting approach is way more value added


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[DamnYanks2]

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I think the old school route of “the horse” as a starter is flawed nowadays. Look at what won the whole thing for Boston, it was putting the ball in play, relentless patients at the plate, putting guys on and keeping pressure on the other team to execute flawlessly. Think back to the great Yankee teams of the late 90’s, that was their same M.O, Redsox hitters don’t strike out, Hou was same way last year.

Yes starting pitching is important still but what starters went deep? Even The best ones (Kershaw, Sale) got rocked, and they are generational talents.

Consistent contact, base runners, ball in play, and stream of pitchers able to execute when called on is the key, it’s worked 2 years in a row now.

HR hitters don’t hit HR’s in the playoffs, it’s been true forever. Yea they get 1 maybe 2 then strikeout all the other at bats, especially when guys on base and all you need is a sac fly or single

Overpaying for a “horse” starter is fools gold, changing the hitting approach is way more value added


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I'm not talking about our pitchers going 7 or 8 innings every time out Surely not 9. But it felt like this rotation never got deep into games and that taxes the bullpen.

I'm not a big believer in this new bullpen addiction. The only real lockdown dudes that the Yankees have when on is Dellin and Chappy. And Chappy wasnt himself all year.

Bullpens are just so ****ing volatile.Super reliever Chad Green regressed. Robertson wasn't special. I mean you never know with these guys. There is so little room for error for relievers alot of the time. I want pitchers to go deeper into games. Period.

Now tweaking the hitting approach is definitely needed too. So I'm good with that.

But I'm over this super reliever nonsense. I don't like leaning on it.

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[Qdiddy]

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I'm not talking about our pitchers going 7 or 8 innings every time out Surely not 9. But it felt like this rotation never got deep into games and that taxes the bullpen.

I'm not a big believer in this new bullpen addiction. The only real lockdown dudes that the Yankees have when on is Dellin and Chappy. And Chappy wasnt himself all year.

Bullpens are just so ****ing volatile.Super reliever Chad Green regressed. Robertson wasn't special. I mean you never know with these guys. There is so little room for error for relievers alot of the time. I want pitchers to go deeper into games. Period.

Now tweaking the hitting approach is definitely needed too. So I'm good with that.

But I'm over this super reliever nonsense. I don't like leaning on it.

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I’m not saying “bullpening” as I’m not for that either. And I agree relievers are volatile but they were more effective in the playoffs then the starters.

This team won 100 games let’s not forget that. I think the type of starters your talking about is with a “regular” season mindset, in the playoffs as has been shown over the years that “Aces” don’t really mean anything,

I mean look at Kluber, Sale, Sevy, Kershaw if that was your top 4 starters all year you’d win 125 games, take that rotation into playoffs you aren’t winning crap. I go back a bunch of posts ago, pitching didn’t lose the division series for us, lack of consistent and clutch hitting did, every game other then the blowout game there were ton of chances to score, then low and behold Sox brought a guy out of the pen and we struck out, batter after batter all struck out.

Look at Dodgers in WS, down by 3-4 runs dudes trying to crush the ball with nobody on base, come on really, they had same mindset we did, and lost just like we did


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[DieHardYankee26]

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When people say an approach change, what exactly does that entail? I'm looking at Judge's and Stanton's splits... They were both "better" last year (17). Both of their flyball percentages dropped and their line drive percentage went up from 17 to 18. Stanton basically traded off 3% in BB rate and added that to his K rate, Judge's walk rate is down 3 percent and his K rate is pretty much steady. Both of their hard hit percentages are up. Both of their pull rates are down, and their other way percentage up slightly. Gary had, I think, one of the 25 worst BABIP seasons in the history of recorded statistics. Looking at the stats it's almost like they should pull the ball more and try for more fly balls but that's what I'm told is our problem. How much of this is approach and how much is just roster construction? Or just bad luck at bad times?

[Qdiddy]

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When people say an approach change, what exactly does that entail? I'm looking at Judge's and Stanton's splits... They were both "better" last year (17). Both of their flyball percentages dropped and their line drive percentage went up from 17 to 18. Stanton basically traded off 3% in BB rate and added that to his K rate, Judge's walk rate is down 3 percent and his K rate is pretty much steady. Both of their hard hit percentages are up. Both of their pull rates are down, and their other way percentage up slightly. Gary had, I think, one of the 25 worst BABIP seasons in the history of recorded statistics. Looking at the stats it's almost like they should pull the ball more and try for more fly balls but that's what I'm told is our problem. How much of this is approach and how much is just roster construction? Or just bad luck at bad times?

I think it’s a combination of all those things you mention in the end. One thing about stats though, and this is for every area not just baseball, is they don’t tell the whole story.

Yes over the course of 162 game season the numbers accumulate to show x and y, but watching the at bats and looking at the approach in a more consolidated sample size you can see the intent was not “make contact”, “move guys over”, “draw walks” etc., you see a lot of players stand out in certain situations that are counter to what their stats show in a larger picture. This is for several reasons imo, one being some people just naturally handle pressure better, another is they change the way they approach a task in relation to the current scenario they face, another is just dumb luck.

Yes a HR is great, but why not bunt against the shift, pass the baton to the next capable guy, apply pressure to the Defense, when your lineup is full of good quality hitters no one guy should be trying to over due what the opposing team is “giving” him. The Astros and Redsox right now imo as a team do this better then any lineups in baseball. Each guy recognizes the approach against them, adapts to it and says ok guy behind me your turn, that forces opposing team to execute flawlessly consistently which is impossible.

Just my thoughts and attempt to clarify what I mean by changing approach, I’ve never been a fan of a stat that generalizes a large period of time to justify expected performance in a small window of a moment, they are not one in the same, variables and factors change continuously.


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[Qdiddy]

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Bringing back Gardy for $7.5m (+$2m buyout) is a good deal for both to me, his value at this point is as much if not more so what he brings in the clubhouse. Probably his last year in NY unless he agrees to a bigger pay cut next year or has monster year


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[DieHardYankee26]

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I was trying to find a way to phrase what I think our issue is but you nailed it on the head: I think we're fine overall but need a lot of work situationally. The at bat that comes to mind is Gary v Kimbrel in Game 4 where he's been wild to the previous batters and you go up there and swing at pitches that could've gotten you to 2-0. He battled back and ended up a few feet away from sending us to Game 5 but there was absolutely no need to dig that hole. Get ahead in the at bat and Kimbrel's whole game plan changes. I'm hoping an offseason to get back healthy will help Gary. A sore groin just seems like the last thing you want to crouch through.

Got Gardy back for the first outfielder off the bench, great skillset for that spot. I feel pretty good defensively with Stanton-Hicks-Judge out there. Still have 3 rotation spots to fill, and decisions to make on Houdini and Britton. I need Chad Green to either figure out his slider or for him to be traded. I can't trust him if he comes back next year with nothing but a fastball again.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Cool article on The Athletic about native New Yorker and longtime Yankee fan Patrick Corbin: the gist is basically that his strikeout spike may have been helped quite a bit by the Diamondbacks catching staff which excels at framing pitches. They went back and looked at the data and compared his actual FIP (2.47) with his expected FIP if we had robot umps that couldn't be bamboozled (3.51). Still not bad at all, and they mention obviously there aren't robot umps so even this isn't entirely accurate, concluded that he's more likely to be another Tanaka than another Severino (don't think this surprises anyone). Another Tanaka though? Sign me up.

[Rocket32]

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Cool article on The Athletic about native New Yorker and longtime Yankee fan Patrick Corbin: the gist is basically that his strikeout spike may have been helped quite a bit by the Diamondbacks catching staff which excels at framing pitches. They went back and looked at the data and compared his actual FIP (2.47) with his expected FIP if we had robot umps that couldn't be bamboozled (3.51). Still not bad at all, and they mention obviously there aren't robot umps so even this isn't entirely accurate, concluded that he's more likely to be another Tanaka than another Severino (don't think this surprises anyone). Another Tanaka though? Sign me up.

After the second half and playoffs I don’t know if I even want one Severino never mind another one.

[Qdiddy]

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Cool article on The Athletic about native New Yorker and longtime Yankee fan Patrick Corbin: the gist is basically that his strikeout spike may have been helped quite a bit by the Diamondbacks catching staff which excels at framing pitches. They went back and looked at the data and compared his actual FIP (2.47) with his expected FIP if we had robot umps that couldn't be bamboozled (3.51). Still not bad at all, and they mention obviously there aren't robot umps so even this isn't entirely accurate, concluded that he's more likely to be another Tanaka than another Severino (don't think this surprises anyone). Another Tanaka though? Sign me up.

Interesting, I think he would be fine though because he would be a 3 NY at the highest depending if they bring Happ back, then Corbin is a 4, I’ll take him as a 4.


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