**The Official New York Yankees Thread**

[DieHardYankee26]

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This video from the YES Network YouTube channel is perfect. Spot on.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ORhf50q2z9w

I must've watched this video 10 times by now trying to figure out how I feel about it. Love Girardi, always will, he did great things for us, but...

The caping for him has got to stop. He took Severino out after one out because the dude was getting eaten alive and didn't look like he could get out of the inning. He had already given up 3 runs (same as CC). That game started with a homer, he got a pop out, then a walk and another homer. If Sevy would've settled down at that point, he wouldn't have been taken out after 1 out. If he could've battled until the end of the inning, which is what CC did, he would've kept pitching. He's advocating for CC to be taken out after loading the bases in the first...

The more goes on the more I blame the players and then Cashman. If 3 runs is the number where you're hitting the panic button (and against Porcello with the way he pitches us, that may be the case), you just don't have what it takes. If this offense was thinking with the bases loaded in the first inning that there's no coming back from what could've happened, nothing Boone could've done short of pinch hitting himself mattered. It also occurred to me in like August when Severino was ****ting the bed that we didn't have a WS worthy rotation so I didn't expect much from this run which again I blame on Cashman. Degrom was it for us.

[Qdiddy]

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I put the blame squarely on the players, they failed to execute bottom line. In both Game 1 and 4 there were multiple opportunities with tying/go ahead run at the plate, guys on base and less then 2 outs. As a manager/GM there’s nothing you can do in those situations other then hope the guys on the field execute. The Redsox players did and ours didn’t. That doesn’t mean Boone or Cashman did a bad job, I mean we won 100 games despite having tons of injuries all year. It’s crazy that now people want to fire people after a 100 win season.

Last year was a year early then expected, this year was the 1995 equivalent, and next year with some upgrades to the SP this team now has tons of experience and depth still while being young. Degrom doesn’t guarantee us anything, yup he’s dominate in regular season, buts who’s to say he doesn’t crash and burn in the playoffs?, how many NL pitchers have struggled in the much more offense focused AL? We need to realize we are still trending up, tweak the weaknesses that were exploited and move on to next year and keep improving, Redsox don’t have back to back historic years it’s just not happening, 95-100 wins gets division next year, we should be in that range easily


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[CMH]

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I must've watched this video 10 times by now trying to figure out how I feel about it. Love Girardi, always will, he did great things for us, but...

The caping for him has got to stop. He took Severino out after one out because the dude was getting eaten alive and didn't look like he could get out of the inning. He had already given up 3 runs (same as CC). That game started with a homer, he got a pop out, then a walk and another homer. If Sevy would've settled down at that point, he wouldn't have been taken out after 1 out. If he could've battled until the end of the inning, which is what CC did, he would've kept pitching. He's advocating for CC to be taken out after loading the bases in the first...

The more goes on the more I blame the players and then Cashman. If 3 runs is the number where you're hitting the panic button (and against Porcello with the way he pitches us, that may be the case), you just don't have what it takes. If this offense was thinking with the bases loaded in the first inning that there's no coming back from what could've happened, nothing Boone could've done short of pinch hitting himself mattered. It also occurred to me in like August when Severino was ****ting the bed that we didn't have a WS worthy rotation so I didn't expect much from this run which again I blame on Cashman. Degrom was it for us.

That's what's lost in all this.


Everyone blaming Boone - which sure he made mistakes too.


But no one is looking at the fact that the starters had to be pulled? Like think about it. Fans are upset that Boone didn't pull the starters sooner and not thinking about what that means.


The starters were hot garbage against the Red Sox. No panic for the bullpen would have saved the Yankees. You can't run Betances, Green, Robertson, Britton, Chapman starting with the bases loaded in the 1st inning in Games 3 and 4 and expect success.

[DieHardYankee26]

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That doesn’t mean Boone or Cashman did a bad job, I mean we won 100 games despite having tons of injuries all year. It’s crazy that now people want to fire people after a 100 win season.

Last year was a year early then expected, this year was the 1995 equivalent, and next year with some upgrades to the SP this team now has tons of experience and depth still while being young. Degrom doesn’t guarantee us anything, yup he’s dominate in regular season, buts who’s to say he doesn’t crash and burn in the playoffs?, how many NL pitchers have struggled in the much more offense focused AL? We need to realize we are still trending up, tweak the weaknesses that were exploited and move on to next year and keep improving, Redsox don’t have back to back historic years it’s just not happening, 95-100 wins gets division next year, we should be in that range easily
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Just to be clear, I don't think Cashman should be fired. I'm not one of those people, only one team can win every year. It not being us does not call for the house to be burnt down. I'm more speaking to the fact that this rotation was just not it. The big problem is I feel like all the starters pretty much performed how I figured they would except maybe the guy we're supposed to be thankful for, but honestly I expected that too. For 1, I just knew he would **** the bed for us when we needed him, call it a hunch. But 2, he had 2 starts at Fenway this season, one with us, where he gave up that grand slam to Pearce but pitched pretty well otherwise, and one with Toronto where he gave up 5 hits and a walk in 3.2 with 5 unearned runs. Hardly unhittable.

Nothing is a guarantee obviously, I just meant without a pitcher of deGrom's caliber, I didn't expect us to be able to make the run. On him specifically though, no way I believe anything you mentioned is an issue with him. Dude had 32 starts and gave up more than 3 earned once. He pitched against Boston in Fenway in mid-September, 7 innings, 3 earned, 12 strikeouts, 5 hits, and a walk. I'm willing to bet he would've made a huge difference. Another reason I bring him up is because the best pitcher hitting the market this offseason (Kershaw isn't going anywhere) is Patrick Corbin. You wanna talk about NL pitchers I'm worried about coming to the AL? There's no guarantee we can make a significant upgrade. We will probably bring Justus up for good, but Gumby is probably going to miss the year again. RIP Jose man, he was the one.

[Rocket32]

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I must've watched this video 10 times by now trying to figure out how I feel about it. Love Girardi, always will, he did great things for us, but...

The caping for him has got to stop. He took Severino out after one out because the dude was getting eaten alive and didn't look like he could get out of the inning. He had already given up 3 runs (same as CC). That game started with a homer, he got a pop out, then a walk and another homer. If Sevy would've settled down at that point, he wouldn't have been taken out after 1 out. If he could've battled until the end of the inning, which is what CC did, he would've kept pitching. He's advocating for CC to be taken out after loading the bases in the first...

The more goes on the more I blame the players and then Cashman. If 3 runs is the number where you're hitting the panic button (and against Porcello with the way he pitches us, that may be the case), you just don't have what it takes. If this offense was thinking with the bases loaded in the first inning that there's no coming back from what could've happened, nothing Boone could've done short of pinch hitting himself mattered. It also occurred to me in like August when Severino was ****ting the bed that we didn't have a WS worthy rotation so I didn't expect much from this run which again I blame on Cashman. Degrom was it for us.

Even if they got DeGrom they likely still would have came up short. He can’t pitch every game nor can he bat. With every starter not named DeGrom and Tanaka struggling to even make it the first few innings without allowing the game to get out of hand I think they still lose in the end, especially with the offense making Eovaldi and Porcello look like DeGrom himself.

Yankees just looked overmatched, I don’t think DeGrom would have been enough. Even if DeGrom was enough to slip past Boston Houston probably would have killed them. Houston’s offense is just as deadly and has better starters then the Yankees faced against Boston.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Houston definitely would've been tough, we played them well during the season but they've got everything together now. For Boston, I think if we could've won Game 1 and had Tanaka for Game 2 it would've made a huge difference. Everything about deGrom just screams playoffs to me. That said, I still wouldn't trade Gleyber for him.

[Qdiddy]

**The Official New York Yankees Thread**

Just to be clear, I don't think Cashman should be fired. I'm not one of those people, only one team can win every year. It not being us does not call for the house to be burnt down. I'm more speaking to the fact that this rotation was just not it. The big problem is I feel like all the starters pretty much performed how I figured they would except maybe the guy we're supposed to be thankful for, but honestly I expected that too. For 1, I just knew he would **** the bed for us when we needed him, call it a hunch. But 2, he had 2 starts at Fenway this season, one with us, where he gave up that grand slam to Pearce but pitched pretty well otherwise, and one with Toronto where he gave up 5 hits and a walk in 3.2 with 5 unearned runs. Hardly unhittable.



Nothing is a guarantee obviously, I just meant without a pitcher of deGrom's caliber, I didn't expect us to be able to make the run. On him specifically though, no way I believe anything you mentioned is an issue with him. Dude had 32 starts and gave up more than 3 earned once. He pitched against Boston in Fenway in mid-September, 7 innings, 3 earned, 12 strikeouts, 5 hits, and a walk. I'm willing to bet he would've made a huge difference. Another reason I bring him up is because the best pitcher hitting the market this offseason (Kershaw isn't going anywhere) is Patrick Corbin. You wanna talk about NL pitchers I'm worried about coming to the AL? There's no guarantee we can make a significant upgrade. We will probably bring Justus up for good, but Gumby is probably going to miss the year again. RIP Jose man, he was the one.

I wasn’t going at you, I see how it could appear that way. Just at things in general around the news. My apologies

Degrom I believe was never an option, no way the Mets was letting him come to NYY. Which shows really how backwards they are because they need young legit talent to rebuild, and the best pitcher in the game doesn’t even sniff the playoffs. Your probably right of his performance I didn’t realize he did that against Boston this season, missed it.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I didn't think you were coming for me just wanted to clarify lol. It's a war zone out there, have to soften negativity lest I be grouped in with the reactionaries.

Side note, just saw that Corbin said this earlier this year:

"It would definitely be great to play there,'' Corbin said, according to Bob Nightengale of*USA Today. "I grew up a Yankee fan. My whole family are Yankee fans. My mom, my dad, my grandpa, everybody. Really, every generation of my family has been Yankee fans."

So... Yeah.

[Rocket32]

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That Stanton Trade was a huge mistake, I think that contract is gonna get ugly towards the end. He pretty much is and was at the time of the trade an older, more experienced (non postseason obviously, much more expensive version of Aaron Judge. Very similar skill set. You could probably argue he’s slightly worse then Judge. Sounds great from the perspective you gave up basically nothing in the trade to get him but I don’t think a 300M big streaky power bat that strikes out a lot locked in for a long time is what the 2017 Yankees needed added to the team to come back and go all the way next year.


They needed SP from the start. If they still wanted a 300M+ position player on the payroll they should have waited a year and gave it to Machado. They could use a guy like Machado more then a player like Stanton in my opinion. The fact that the Stanton move was made before Sanchez’s collapse with the bat and when they still had tons of OF depth makes it look even worse. The 2017 Yankees had power. I know it’s the Yankees, they still have money to spend but it dosen’t make it ok when it could have been better spent elsewhere.

Even though there really wasn’t any dominant aces available last offseason, dosen’t mean you just add a huge contract of a player you really don’t need for the hell of it.

[CMH]

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Stanton is a mistake if you care that the Yankees have to pay him $25 mm a year.

But we are talking about 38 homeruns and 100 RBI. I'm not heavy on traditional stats but bad hitters don't accidentally produce those numbers.

Fans are treating Stanton like he's a bum. And it's ridiculous.

Did he fail to come up big in the post season? Of course. So did most of the lineup. But without Stanton the Yankees are probably not even in the playoffs.

Let's not forget that.

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[Qdiddy]

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I agree Stanton was a huge mistake, I see him real soon being a HR or nothing no higher then .250 hitter, definitely not worth all that money


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[DieHardYankee26]

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Stanton is a mistake if you care that the Yankees have to pay him $25 mm a year.
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!!!!!

Rocket you said if we wanted a 300mm position player we should've waited for Machado... We can still get Machado. Luxury tax reset and our payroll is like 170 I think. Hal could shell out for 250 if he wanted to flex. That'd be Corbin, Machado, AND Bryce. It can't be overstated how much money this team prints every year.

Actually, it's the 10 year anniversary of the CC, AJ, Teix offseason. [emoji102]

[Rocket32]

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!!!!!

Rocket you said if we wanted a 300mm position player we should've waited for Machado... We can still get Machado. Luxury tax reset and our payroll is like 170 I think. Hal could shell out for 250 if he wanted to flex. That'd be Corbin, Machado, AND Bryce. It can't be overstated how much money this team prints every year.

Actually, it's the 10 year anniversary of the CC, AJ, Teix offseason. [emoji102]

Just because you can dosen’t mean you should. I don’t think it’s smart for any team to add someone on a mammoth contract when they have bigger needs in a different place on the team to address. Unless it’s like Trout I geuss, you have to make an exception there.

Obviously I can’t see the future but I just don’t think that Stanton contract is going to age well. Ideally you don’t want to end up back where they were only several seasons ago, stuck with multiple aging players on huge salaries down the road and a not so good farm system either.

[KCowse]

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They need to be careful here more than ten years ago because they may have huge contracts going out to Judge, Andujar, Gleyber, Sheffield, Sanchez, and whoever else makes a splash out of the farm system. Those would all be signed right around the back end of any major blockbuster they do this offseason. They may not run out of money now, but you wouldn’t want any more aging free agents blocking them from signing homegrown talent. That wasn’t as big of a possibility in ‘09 when they had a weak farm system.


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[DieHardYankee26]

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Judge and Gary came up late so Judge won't hit free agency until he's about to turn 31. Gary at 30, and he's a catcher. I'm not that worried about them. Gleyber probably, Sheff we'll see, no idea what he is right now, I expect Andujar to get traded. Stanton and Tanaka are our only long term contracts right now if I'm not mistaken. Lots of room to play around.