Why I'm Pissed At 2K Sports

[El_Poopador]

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That's fine and dandy and all and well yes its their prerogative. But I paid 60 dollars that I am getting no enjoyment out of because the game is built in a way to make you pay more. These aren't micro transactions, these are manipulated ways to make you spend more. I bought a game and I should be able to enjoy it as intended like I have with my previous 2k games (before vc) without purchasing anything extra. But when you constantly receive miniscule amounts of vc for all the hard work you put into the game it becomes a chore, its not fun anymore. Its something you begin to just shrug off. I love basketball but every passing year I hate basketball games.

You're confusing mirco transaction with what 2k is doing. Micro transaction is put in to give you a little head start an incentive.

Think games that let you purchase new masks (the last of us) maybe some different kind of guns, or gta by purchasing money to buy things. Now although they offer these as mirco transactions, You do not need to purchase this to enjoy the game or play as it was intended. You'll still have other free masks other things to customize your character. But in 2k EVERYTHING requires vc. And seeing as you only make enough for one sleeve and Nike's halfway into a mode is ridiculous. And that's not even building your characters stats yet.

but if you play the game long enough you should get what you want. In 2k I was half way into my career(about 30 something games) and accumulated only 15k total vc. That is one arm sleeve, some nikes, and maybe a shirt. And I've spent 4 days playing the mode. Come on now, seriously this doesn't make you wonder?

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this. its not that vc is a bad idea. just the opposite actually. it can add a sense of realism in having to spend money (in the game) on things like shoes and accessories. and it can give you a head start if you choose to buy it.

but there are two issues with the way its implemented:

1. the vc earned versus the cost of various things is incredibly unbalanced. in my career for example lets say i earn 500vc per season based on my contract. that means that i need to spend my entire contract on a sleeve. or i need to play 2-3 non-key games to earn enough for the same sleeve. thats 2-3 games where i cant upgrade my attributes or anything if i want that sleeve asap. with how low you start out attribute-wise its ridiculous.

2. you have to pay for things with vc that are basic functions. in mygm why would you not have the ability to change your lineup from the start? you have to spend vc just to be able to change your rotation. that is ludicrous. you have to spend vc to be able to meet with a player. then you have to spend vc to actually meet with a player. then what if i want to have more than one mygm? i would have to respend more vc on those same unlocks.

like saturnis said it should be an optional incentive to purchase vc if you want a head start. but the way its set up now you almost have to buy it just to be able to play the game as intended. either that or spend hours grinding just to earn enough to unlock the base features like changing rotations.

[Djm22]

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this. its not that vc is a bad idea. just the opposite actually. it can add a sense of realism in having to spend money (in the game) on things like shoes and accessories. and it can give you a head start if you choose to buy it.

but there are two issues with the way its implemented:

1. the vc earned versus the cost of various things is incredibly unbalanced. in my career for example lets say i earn 500vc per season based on my contract. that means that i need to spend my entire contract on a sleeve. or i need to play 2-3 non-key games to earn enough for the same sleeve. thats 2-3 games where i cant upgrade my attributes or anything if i want that sleeve asap. with how low you start out attribute-wise its ridiculous.

2. you have to pay for things with vc that are basic functions. in mygm why would you not have the ability to change your lineup from the start? you have to spend vc just to be able to change your rotation. that is ludicrous. you have to spend vc to be able to meet with a player. then you have to spend vc to actually meet with a player. then what if i want to have more than one mygm? i would have to respend more vc on those same unlocks.

like saturnis said it should be an optional incentive to purchase vc if you want a head start. but the way its set up now you almost have to buy it just to be able to play the game as intended. either that or spend hours grinding just to earn enough to unlock the base features like changing rotations.

sad thing is 2k knows this and instead of catering to their consumers theyre trying to suck our pockets dry the went from listening and doing things for there fanbase but once vc came out it turned into strip the game down as much as possible and have the amount of vc earned per game significantly less than what it cost to upgrade anything its stupid 2k turned greedy

[yount19]

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I have faith that 2K will bring the game back up to speed next year. They probably agreed to release a game for the new consoles in order to assist in the promotion of sales of those consoles. After all, 2K Basketball is one of the more prominent sports video game franchises and this made it necessary for Sony and Microsoft to "beat on 2K's door" in order to jump-start the sales of their newest consoles. Having to deal with current gen AND next gen games more than likely has a lot to do with some of the omissions in the next gen title. Unfortunately, this will upset those consumers that are very quick to purchase these new consoles as the newer titles almost always are "stripped down" versions of current gen titles due to the unfamiliarity of the parameters of the new systems, time, and of course... money.

This thread is exactly why many simply choose to wait on the purchase of the new consoles (not to mention the price drop is a good thing as well). Heck, I waited almost 4 years from it's launch to purchase a PS1; 3 years from launch to purchase the PS2; and 3 years from launch to purchase the PS3. I did cave in and purchase an XBox 360 shortly after release and boy, did that confirm the importance of waiting!!! (I only kept it for 6 months before selling it. What a debacle that was!!!)

My son and I are still getting a lot of replay value from the PS3 and we will continue to do so for as long as possible; unless MLB The Show sends me into a frenzy in the spring!!! Although even then I would wait a month or two to read up about the game and what options are available.

I am so glad that I am able to withstand the urge of "keeping up with the Jones'" or even being the "First one on the block" when it comes to consuming.

That being said... I hope and pray that 2K is not going down the road that EA has gone with the Madden title. But even if they do, I can see many, many more hours of enjoyment on the PS3... and I will purchase a replacement PS3 to replace this one if the time comes and I am still not persuaded to jump on the "new console bandwagon."

Hang in there, remain patient and keep your fingers crossed Basketball Video Gamers!!!

[Djm22]

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they only released a game to make more money im starting to not want to get this game right away next gen atleast i wont pay top dollar for it trade in to take as much off as possible

[Saturnis]

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Last I looked a sleeve costs 800 VC, and with a shoe deal in MyCareer, shoes are free. So for argument's sake let's say you bought white/black arm sleeves and leg sleeves for home/away games, you still have ~13000 VC to spend on attributes. That'd give you an overall rating of +80. Is that really so horrible? Do you really have to purchase VC to enjoy the game?

Like I said, there's a lot of work that should go into balancing the VC system if it's gonna stay. But I don't feel like it's a gamebreaker that you have to spend 7500 hard earned VC for a pair of sneakers to use in The Park (you can't use purchased sneakers in MyCareer without a shoe deal, and like I said, once you've got a shoe deal, they're free).

I wasn't talking about generic useless sleeves obviously. I was talking about the sleeves that actually give you an attribute boost, which is obviously worth the vc than generic sleeves. I played far enough in my career and there is no shoe deal(others have said this and I haven't saw it personally during my playing time) so you just purchase the shoes which most of the good ones are close to 8k vc. The sleeves I believe are 5k.

Most people go for the attribute sleeves because of the boost.


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[OkayC]

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I am willing to admit that I'm not going to be too harsh on 2k this year because this is a new console so they need time to get things going again next year. I still however no matter current gen next gen or 3 gen from now, will hate how vc is currently implemented and I hate this fantasy land 2k is becoming.

[strawberryshortcake]

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I am willing to admit that I'm not going to be too harsh on 2k this year because this is a new console so they need time to get things going again next year. I still however no matter current gen next gen or 3 gen from now, will hate how vc is currently implemented and I hate this fantasy land 2k is becoming.

Interesting, 2K sure had enough time to calculate how to implement VC to the various game modes. Maybe if the game wasn't so heavily VC focused, or online focused, we wouldn't have so many complaints and actual game modes (association, 30 team control, etc.) could have made it over to next gen.

I personally have only been playing quick matches. Looking to get into mygm when time permits.

Even though I'm not much of an online gamer at all, 2k should really spend the money on servers. Hearing issues about online, again, is concerning. A certain percentage of 2K fans buy NBA2k to play online modes. The "park" is an online feature, and I have heard that mygm also requires somewhat of an online connection (can't even access mygm without a proper internet connection).

If 2k online has always been an issue, either invest in top tier servers or quit having modes that rely on the use of internet connections.

[jayman426]

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Interesting, 2K sure had enough time to calculate how to implement VC to the various game modes. Maybe if the game wasn't so heavily VC focused, or online focused, we wouldn't have so many complaints and actual game modes (association, 30 team control, etc.) could have made it over to next gen.

Take Madden 25, you have to progress the coach using xp but you don't buy it and it doesn't effect basic decisions like rotation or firing a coach.

This takes it to a point where you have to buy it. The MyGM is so limited as is that if you don't buy VC you have a bare bones mode. That should not be the case and you can tell they sat down to come up with this just for the basis of making people buy it. You should not feel this way after paying 60.00.

[VDusen04]

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Take Madden 25, you have to progress the coach using xp but you don't buy it and it doesn't effect basic decisions like rotation or firing a coach.

This takes it to a point where you have to buy it. The MyGM is so limited as is that if you don't buy VC you have a bare bones mode. That should not be the case and you can tell they sat down to come up with this just for the basis of making people buy it. You should not feel this way after paying 60.00.

Throughout all the VC talk, I still can't help but think back to NFL 2K5 and the way their system worked. The points earned did not interfere with game realism (they weren't needed to level up a fake GM nor did players sign their contract in virtual currency). And on top of everything else, nearly everything in the game was attainable through a relatively consistent playing schedule over the course of the year.

In contrast, there's now a lot of content in NBA 2K I know I'll never be able to access, because there's not enough time in the year to unlock it and enjoy it. Purchasing what should be fun graphical elements has become a job (and a tedious one at that). I wish 2K could take a page out of 2K's playbook (NFL, that is) as to how best to utilize a fake currency for maximum gamer enjoyment.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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One goal I had was to sign a hof coach. I signed Rivers and then he quit on me mid year because I couldn't keep him happy because I couldn't afford upgrades he was demanding like weight room etc.....The vc needs to be toned down alot. If they are going to keep it prices for upgrade needs to be significantly cheaper and certain core gm duties should not require vc.

Heck I can't even train my players in the off season because it requires minimum 1500 vc.

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Not gonna lie, I was pumped for this next gen release and planned on grabbing a PS4 just so I could play some 2k14. I'm having second thoughts about it now that I am hearing you have to spend VC on little things like lineup changes. That is absurd.

I have no desire to VC farm like I started doing in 2k13 only to stop and realize I was not enjoying the game.

For the record, this is 100% micro-transactions. Micro-transactions are not purchases made that give you a boost as you start up a game. They are transactions, usually a small amount of money (micro), that occur between consumer and company within the game. Free to play MMO's are notorious for running these business models. The difference between the good ones and the bad ones is whether these transactions create an imbalance in the game.

Not sure I'm going to fork over my money for this now.

[thedream2k13]

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Not gonna lie, I was pumped for this next gen release and planned on grabbing a PS4 just so I could play some 2k14. I'm having second thoughts about it now that I am hearing you have to spend VC on little things like lineup changes. That is absurd.

I have no desire to VC farm like I started doing in 2k13 only to stop and realize I was not enjoying the game.

For the record, this is 100% micro-transactions. Micro-transactions are not purchases made that give you a boost as you start up a game. They are transactions, usually a small amount of money (micro), that occur between consumer and company within the game. Free to play MMO's are notorious for running these business models. The difference between the good ones and the bad ones is whether these transactions create an imbalance in the game.

Not sure I'm going to fork over my money for this now.

no such thing as VC farm when EVERY game mode gives you VC

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no such thing as VC farm when EVERY game mode gives you VC

......there's already a thread that shows how to gain a good amount of VC in a small amount of time. Not sure why that isn't considered a VC farm.

Since I have your attention (sounds like you've played the game), are the gains of VC while playing large enough that I don't need to worry about the VC charges to set lineups or meet with players? Since I am only interested in playing MyGM, I need to know this.

[nddot]

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Scust @ 2k

[VDusen04]

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......there's already a thread that shows how to gain a good amount of VC in a small amount of time. Not sure why that isn't considered a VC farm.

Since I have your attention (sounds like you've played the game), are the gains of VC while playing large enough that I don't need to worry about the VC charges to set lineups or meet with players? Since I am only interested in playing MyGM, I need to know this.

I've heard the charge to set lineups was very minimal and needed to be paid one time. That said, I feel a little ridiculous discussing how one must "buy" the right to alter rotations in the first place.