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  • Walt Frazier
    Pro
    • Jan 2014
    • 989

    #106
    Re: Offensive rebounding

    after extensive testing...the just need to fix the 'cpu put back' tendency.

    Even on 0 the cpu still goes back up every time.

    Just fix that and boxing out.

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    • Gosens6
      All Star
      • Oct 2007
      • 6100

      #107
      Re: Offensive rebounding

      Like I said before, there's no way guys like kendrick Perkins and reggie Evans should be averaging 10+ shots a game because of the crazy automatic putbacks by the Ai.

      And the fact that these putbacks go in damn near
      90% of the time is a game killer for me.

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      • Bornindamecca
        Books Nelson Simnation
        • Jul 2007
        • 10919

        #108
        Re: Offensive rebounding

        Playing a Center in MyCareer (superstar/sim)with only a few rebounding upgrades and I'm averaging about 16 a game since I became a starter. Looking up close at the rebounding for several games now, I can boil it down to a few things.

        Most importantly, your teammates do not react to the ball or situation properly. This would fix just about everything.

        What it would not fix is the ball warping into the opponent's hand when it shouldn't, but this would occur much less if your teammates put up their hands, went for the ball, or boxed out.

        No long rebounds because long shots don't equal long bounces in this game. Every shot in 2k leads to a putback possibility, and that's just not true in real life. The ball always bounces near the rim and sometimes it needs to go out of bounds or 16-18 feet out.

        No real tap outs. When a bunch of bigs go up, often nobody wins and the only recourse is a tap out. This should be a whole play mechanic, but it's not really in the game right now. The "volleyball cheese" is directly tied to your rebounding badges, as I started knocking the ball out of the CPU's hands once I got Tenacious Rebounder, and never did that beforehand.

        Last thing is there aren't enough over the back calls. I've seen a few, but there should definitely be more. Some that should have been called on me.

        I think the rebounding is way better this year and probably the best I can recall in recent memory. The glaring issue with putback success is making it seem worse than it is.
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        • The 24th Letter
          ERA
          • Oct 2007
          • 39373

          #109
          Re: Offensive rebounding

          What I have found is that "intense D" under the basket rather than jumping after the CPU get's an offensive rebound generates more misses...has helped with some of my frustration in that area...still doesn't solve the issue of them constantly attempting the put backs themselves though...

          The put backs are my main gripe...not so much rebounding...as I can secure rebounds pretty consistently..

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          • ruxpinke
            Pro
            • Apr 2008
            • 908

            #110
            Re: Offensive rebounding

            The game is so close to amazing on all star. Even with the oReb put back issue, its still very playable and im having a blast.

            If i want to address just the put back success, what shot slider should i lower? Would it be layup, or inside shot or something else?

            I'm fine with the percentages as they are for all other types of shots, my concern is not messing with the percentages too too much. If i could knock down the effectiveness of the put backs just a bit, Id be ok with it. Any feedback welcomed.
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            • memtndude
              Rookie
              • Oct 2012
              • 34

              #111
              Re: Offensive rebounding

              I get 2-3 a game as a center. I love it. Its way more realistic than NEVER getting offensive boards. I think the rebounding is leaps and bounds better than before. This is in MyCareer mode

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              • Boilerbuzz
                D* B**rs!
                • Jul 2002
                • 5154

                #112
                Re: Offensive rebounding

                Originally posted by Walt Frazier
                after extensive testing...the just need to fix the 'cpu put back' tendency.

                Even on 0 the cpu still goes back up every time.

                Just fix that and boxing out.

                Co-sign. I agree that the AI will force up putbacks far too often.

                And for Christ's sake, let me break out of the block animations sooner so that I can defend the putback that's sure to come.

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                • worstsportsgamer1977
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2013
                  • 277

                  #113
                  Re: Offensive rebounding

                  i play on pro and i can tell you the cpu at times cheats the system to get rebounds. sometimes they grab the ball faster then you can see it. it also seems if they miss the shot they always get the rebound back until the ball goes in. you see weird things like this when playing the better teams. the cpu can always get off the floor much quicker then you. also the there seems to be a response animation that comes over our players where we cant jump off the ground. your frozen.

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                  • Bornindamecca
                    Books Nelson Simnation
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 10919

                    #114
                    Re: Offensive rebounding

                    Originally posted by Boilerbuzz
                    Co-sign. I agree that the AI will force up putbacks far too often.

                    And for Christ's sake, let me break out of the block animations sooner so that I can defend the putback that's sure to come.
                    Across the board, part of the "2k Cheesetm" is that you are subject to animations that the computer can branch out of. I think this is a regulation mechanic to keep the user from getting 50 rebounds per game, but 2k tends to be quiet about these things until they fix or replace them.

                    Some of this is ratings/badges based. Until I got Tenacious Rebounder for my MyPlayer, I did not have access to spin/swim animations in box out situations. The problem is that your player(across the board, not just in MyCareer) will hit a force field if you try to run to the basket and get locked into a box out even if the computer is next to you, rather than in front of you.

                    In theory, I don't disagree with the regulation or the restrictive animations. They just need to tweak and balance it so it doesn't look so broken and cheesy. It's always going to feel unfair when you go for a board and you have this long recovery, but when the CPU does it they are like UNLV Shawn Marion.

                    The overall rebounding numbers in 2k are fine, imo, but it's really ugly how they get there. I've been leading the league in rebounding since I started, so it's not that the mechanics are bad. It's really the imbalance in animations and the aloofness of your teammates combined with the putback tendency and success rate.
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                    • woodson312
                      Rookie
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 15

                      #115
                      Re: Offensive rebounding

                      offensive rebounding is terrible play 20 seconds of defense just for another rebound. robin lopez rebounds better then dennis rodman its dumb. all my defense for nothing leading to a eventual score. i cant take it anymore

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                      • Proven_Winner
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 60

                        #116
                        Re: Offensive rebounding

                        The CPU in general just cheats on offense and defense. On offense the CPU will hit every single contested shot and if they do miss they will get the rebound no matter what you set your POE too no matter what good rebounders you have.

                        On defense they will borderline murder you when you go up and the refs don't call a foul. They also get blocks they should not get. For example I had Kawhi go for a layup and Aldridge went into a block animation where he fouled leonard and they didn't call it, but Aldridge got credit for the block.

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                        • Vni
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 14833

                          #117
                          Re: Offensive rebounding

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                          This is the real issue imo. This stuff happens all the time. Sorry for the menu in the middle of the screen. The success rate of the CPU in that spot is really insane. I've seen Deng get rebounds and do vertical putback dunks right after.

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                          • ruxpinke
                            Pro
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 908

                            #118
                            Re: Offensive rebounding

                            Originally posted by Vni
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                            This is the real issue imo. This stuff happens all the time. Sorry for the menu in the middle of the screen. The success rate of the CPU in that spot is really insane. I've seen Deng get rebounds and do vertical putback dunks right after.

                            I agree totally. Even if that rebound happens from time to time, that putback should not. In that scenario with those defenders and the size of the offensive player, that should be a 10-20 percent shot. In the game I would guess its close to 75-85 on all star sim where Ive been playing.

                            As far as sliders go, Im going to try bumping down inside shot and contact shot success by 2 each and try that for a few games.

                            A patch that corrects some logic in that situation would be great. In that video example, I can live with that rebound by the CPU, if it then realizes it should be passing out and trying to reset in that situation.

                            Dont know if thats a fix that can make it in, but thats my hope. If not I will have to work on making the shot less effective. I played on pro sim last night and it was not as blatant. I'm hoping to stay on all star as i felt the CPU was more aggressive offensively at that level. If it doesn't get patched I think ill go to Pro and start adjusting there.
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                            • Boilerbuzz
                              D* B**rs!
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 5154

                              #119
                              Re: Offensive rebounding

                              Originally posted by Vni
                              <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/4KXTjfnTkto" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                              This is the real issue imo. This stuff happens all the time. Sorry for the menu in the middle of the screen. The success rate of the CPU in that spot is really insane. I've seen Deng get rebounds and do vertical putback dunks right after.

                              Yeah, it's certainly not ALL the time, but an INSANE amount of times that it's blatant. That case is a perfect example of one of those shots that shouldn't have even been attempted really. I'm still tripping that it wasn't blocked. But at the 0:06, ALL 3 defenders are surrounding the guy. You'd have to be a moron to try to put that back up...
                              Last edited by Boilerbuzz; 10-14-2014, 10:12 AM.

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                              • Armor and Sword
                                The Lama
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 21793

                                #120
                                Re: Offensive rebounding

                                Vannwolfhawk posted this in the slider thread:

                                It's frustrating but until they fix it's something. I put box out assistance on 100, user defensive rebound at 65, CPU offensive rebound at 35, and CPU put back tendency at 0.



                                I have been testing this on Pro/Sim/Real FG/FT%

                                It's works fantastic in getting the CPU to ease off the gas pedal in this area of concern (which IMO is a legit issue at default).

                                Try it!!!!

                                Sliders are very responsive on this game...no question they do what they should IMO.
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