2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Apologizing for 2K again for something that is 100% their responsibility, not the gamers... It's up to them to test their game and find all the exploits, period. They're a multi million dollar company. What do game testers make, $10/hr? Like c'mon, I think they afford it.

Stop being an *hole.

You damn well know that people "make a living" out of trying to break games in order to make YouTube videos to get millions of views. Make a note that my comment was about ALL videogames and NOT just about NBA 2K. Other games have 2-4 years to be developed. What's their excuse when gamers are still able find exploits and metas?

You really need to be banned. You want to hate 2KSports so bad just for the sake of hating. If you hate the game that much, don't buy it. It's that simple. No one has time for BS talking points over nothing while anyone that disagrees with you is considered an "apologist". You should played enough videogames to know there's not a SINGLE "perfect" game out there. I didn't like NBA 2K21 next-gen, so I stopped playing it and started mostly playing NBA 2K20.

[JJ1111]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Its not a monopoly.

If you want anyone to listen to you and even take you seriously then you might want to go with facts rather then fiction.

The fact that you have no idea what a monopoly even its yet accuse 2K of having one and then demand that they should listen to you is asinine to say the least.

Why would any dev come here and then deal with this nonesense….


Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Operation Sports

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/bo...n-to-monopoly/

A monopoly can be recognized by certain characteristics that set it aside from the other market structures:

Profit maximizer: a monopoly maximizes profits. Due to the lack of competition a firm can charge a set price above what would be charged in a competitive market, thereby maximizing its revenue.

Price maker: the monopoly decides the price of the good or product being sold. The price is set by determining the quantity in order to demand the price desired by the firm (maximizes revenue).

High barriers to entry: other sellers are unable to enter the market of the monopoly.

Single seller: in a monopoly one seller produces all of the output for a good or service. The entire market is served by a single firm. For practical purposes the firm is the same as the industry.

Price discrimination: in a monopoly the firm can change the price and quantity of the good or service. In an elastic market the firm will sell a high quantity of the good if the price is less. If the price is high, the firm will sell a reduced quantity in an elastic market.




You'd rather argue dumb semantics than the actual point -- the effect of being a sole product/company in the market. You're like those people who become the grammar police if someone says "good karma, bad karma" and they start relating it to its original religious definition. When they very well know the point of it is cause / effect.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

It's "trolling" now to state the obvious... It's obvious you're trying to get me banned because you lack the ability to actually making a coherent argument. McDonalds has good sales too. I guess that's a 5 star restaurant. NBA Live had good sales even when the quality sucked. It's a monopoly and basketball fans by basketball games. So use something else beside sales as metric. Can you say they make a "quality NBA simulation" still like they claim? Their game ratings and fan feedback have gone down every single year.

No, I can't stand people who have an agenda to hate for the sake of hating and want to bash at every opportunity. Like I said before, if you hate the game that much. Don't buy the game and leave.

[JJ1111]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Stop being an *hole.

Mods? This ok? Pretty sure that's against the TOS. Enjoy your ban.

[JJ1111]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

No, I can't stand people who have an agenda to hate for the sake of hating and want to bash at every opportunity. Like I said before, if you hate the game that much. Don't buy the game and leave.

You take criticism of a company that you make 0 dollars from way too personal. If you're getting butthurt over 2K criticism and feedback (this is a forum right?), maybe you should leave or find another thread.

[JJ1111]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

No, I can't stand people who have an agenda to hate for the sake of hating and want to bash at every opportunity. Like I said before, if you hate the game that much. Don't buy the game and leave.

Sounds like a you-problem

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

You take criticism of a company that you make 0 dollars from way too personal. If you're getting butthurt over 2K criticism and feedback (this is a forum right?), maybe you should leave or find another thread.

Actually...I made a general comment about videogames, and somehow you attempted to take that comment and turn it into a bashing moment. If you made valid points made sense, then I might agree with you.

It's like you're at 2KSports for other companies not having the courage to attempt to create the "better" basketball game. That's literally your whole argument.

[JJ1111]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Actually...I made a general comment about videogames, and somehow you attempted to take that comment and turn it into a bashing moment. If you made valid points made sense, then I might agree with you.

It's like you're at 2KSports for other companies not having the courage to attempt to create the "better" basketball game. That's literally your whole argument.

Enjoy your ban

And if OS doesn't, it shows 100% hypocrisy

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Enjoy your ban

And if OS doesn't, it shows 100% hypocrisy

SMH...enjoy my ignore list.

EDIT: Wow! This thread got considerably shorter for me now.

[MikeBadge]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

In general. 2K fans are hopelessly ignorant when it comes to this comparison. I definitely get the frustration and heat surrounding 2K. This is the first year since 15 that I genuinely don't feel excited about picking it up, but this product is sooooooo much better than EA's Madden.

I end up having this thought in my head so much while on these boards. I get the frustrations, but honestly some folks talk like there's anybody doing anything close to what 2K is doing in the sports gaming space (hell I don't even think there's an example w/in non-sports gaming if you take the 1 year dev cycle into account).

Love The Show and it's by far the closest, but they really can't match the depth (plus I encounter way more game affecting bugs in The Show than I do in 2K pretty much every year). And even they took steps to become MORE like 2K this year.

Like, I think most of us are all for holding 2K accountable and providing criticism/feedback in hopes that it will lead to improvement in the game. But there's a much better chance our criticisms are heard if we're realistic and understanding with our expectations.

[JJ1111]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

SMH...enjoy my ignore list.

EDIT: Wow! This thread got considerably shorter for me now.

No one cares

[ChaseB]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Haha, some weird stuff happening here, and I assume perhaps this one fella is previously banned considering how hot he's coming and while dropping TOS comments.

Anyway, I have made this case before: https://www.operationsports.com/maki...-nba-2k-games/

[kehlis]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Haha, some weird stuff happening here, and I assume perhaps this one fella is previously banned considering how hot he's coming and while dropping TOS comments.



Anyway, I have made this case before: https://www.operationsports.com/maki...-nba-2k-games/

And he really seemed to have it out for certain people. Yikes.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Haha, some weird stuff happening here, and I assume perhaps this one fella is previously banned considering how hot he's coming and while dropping TOS comments.

Anyway, I have made this case before: https://www.operationsports.com/maki...-nba-2k-games/

That was definitely a great article.

[MrWrestling3]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

I agree. Videogames are just a weird product in general. There's a LOT of things that sounded good on paper, but the moment the game gets into the hands of millions of gamers, it become a different type of situation.

I've said this before. The human element is hard to predict at times. Some people make it their "career" to try to find any and every exploit in the game to gain a competitive "advantage". I think it's sad and absolutely ridiculous when people go out of their way to break a game just so they can say they did. I can't tell you how many times I came across exploits in other games, and I'm dumbfounded, because to me it's like "How in the hell did you find this exploit????".

NBA 2K is a solid game most years, but it really starts to fall apart when players find the metas/exploits and developers scrabble to patch it, BUT THEN the cheaters/cheesers/bums find something else to exploit. After a while, it just becomes a cat and mouse game where developers are stuck fixing the exploits in order to achieve game balance, but lose focus on addressing the gameplay.

IMO this is a pretty good summation of the situation.The human mind is kind of hard wired to find the easiest way possible to do things. While this is a fundamental driving force when it comes to the progress of society and civilization, it's not always so positive when it comes to competitive online gaming.

The really lousy side effect of the situation is that this often bleeds over into the SP/Offline modes and people who pretty much aren't a part of the problem end up potentially having their enjoyment affected because of online antics.