2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Great, never said they couldn't, but that doesn't change the fact that their current monopoly is making them suck as a company.

Trolling...their sales number says something completely different.

[tru11]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

how many nba or even Basketball (simulation?) games are out There? for Lots of These casual players 2k might just be another game they Play besides call of duty and what Not. for me its the only way to Play a game of the sports i love.

Okay…

Its still not a monopoly.

Anyone can make an basketball game.
Anyone can go to the nba to get their license.

There is nothing that says the 2K is the only one who is allowed to make a basketball simulation game.

If EA wants to bring Live back their is nothing that prevents them for doing so other then wasting money on a lost cause.

A monopoly is what Madden has as they are the only one that are allowed to make a NFL simulation football game.







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[tru11]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Great, never said they couldn't, but that doesn't change the fact that their current monopoly is making them suck as a company.

Its not a monopoly.

If you want anyone to listen to you and even take you seriously then you might want to go with facts rather then fiction.

The fact that you have no idea what a monopoly even its yet accuse 2K of having one and then demand that they should listen to you is asinine to say the least.

Why would any dev come here and then deal with this nonesense….


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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Okay…

Its still not a monopoly.

Anyone can make an basketball game.
Anyone can go to the nba to get their license.

There is nothing that says the 2K is the only one who is allowed to make a basketball simulation game.

If EA wants to bring Live back their is nothing that prevents them for doing so other then wasting money on a lost cause.

A monopoly is what Madden has as they are the only one that are allowed to make a NFL simulation football game.







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Did you respond to the right post?

[tru11]

2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Did you respond to the right post?

Idk he responded to me so i responded back lol


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[VictorMG]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

If I'm getting screened to death by the bigs, my matchup is easily going shoot to 60+% from 3PTland.

The reason I ask for proof is that I keep hearing percentages from different people, and it's really easy for our brains to trick us into thinking something happens more often than it actually does. It happens to me too.

If you really think it's this big a deal, I don't think it's asking too much that you back up your statements with evidence that we can all see.

[jk31]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

wanna See the numbers from our last season with 2k21? we use superstar sliders with an increase of. the 3pt slider by 2 pts, or else every non Green shot will miss. League average was 39 %, best Team shot above 50 % from deep. These are ridiculous numbers and the Green Releases heavily inflate the shooting percentages.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

The reason I ask for proof is that I keep hearing percentages from different people, and it's really easy for our brains to trick us into thinking something happens more often than it actually does. It happens to me too.

If you really think it's this big a deal, I don't think it's asking too much that you back up your statements with evidence that we can all see.

I can read the stats after the game is over...

It's not rocket science to see that my matchup scored 20+ points and the percentage that they were shooting at. It's not that hard to view stats while the game is going on. There's a reason why I have HOF Pick Dodger, Tireless Defender, and Off-Ball Pest on my PG.

[alabamarob]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

wanna See the numbers from our last season with 2k21? we use superstar sliders with an increase of. the 3pt slider by 2 pts, or else every non Green shot will miss. League average was 39 %, best Team shot above 50 % from deep. These are ridiculous numbers and the Green Releases heavily inflate the shooting percentages.

It's the reason I never play superstar. Shooting is way to easy, and that is on any version of 2k.

[Thunderhorse]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Its not a monopoly.

If you want anyone to listen to you and even take you seriously then you might want to go with facts rather then fiction.

The fact that you have no idea what a monopoly even its yet accuse 2K of having one and then demand that they should listen to you is asinine to say the least.

Why would any dev come here and then deal with this nonesense….


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I'm turning 32 this year. Most gamers have no idea what happened with 2K and Madden so they incorrectly perceive 2K's market dominance to equate to that of Madden's.

I genuinely love football. I really only got into 2K because I had some buddies that played on the park in 14 and wouldn't let me not play the game.

In general. 2K fans are hopelessly ignorant when it comes to this comparison. I definitely get the frustration and heat surrounding 2K. This is the first year since 15 that I genuinely don't feel excited about picking it up, but this product is sooooooo much better than EA's Madden.

Here's a take from Reddit that I felt summarized the comparison best

I absolutely hate 2k and how they “improve” the game each year. But to be honest…

it’s light years ahead of where madden is at. At the very least 2k has a great base game/engine and problems only start to appear when you hit the comp scene. That’s where you find out how broken some mechanics are and how 2k does absolutely nothing to improve the situation. Madden on the other hand is fundamentally broken.

[VictorMG]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

wanna See the numbers from our last season with 2k21? we use superstar sliders with an increase of. the 3pt slider by 2 pts, or else every non Green shot will miss. League average was 39 %, best Team shot above 50 % from deep. These are ridiculous numbers and the Green Releases heavily inflate the shooting percentages.

Are those the current NBA rosters or a fantasy draft? If the latter, all-time or current?

I can read the stats after the game is over...

It's not rocket science to see that my matchup scored 20+ points and the percentage that they were shooting at. It's not that hard to view stats while the game is going on. There's a reason why I have HOF Pick Dodger, Tireless Defender, and Off-Ball Pest on my PG.

Stats without context are more or less meaningless, though. I want to see the quality of shots combined with the stats.

If you're getting destroyed by screens like you mentioned and the help isn't on point, people are going to shoot high percentages. But if your opponents are making Harden-type threes at Curry percentages, then I'll definitely agree with you.

I'm just trying to make sure we're all held accountable for any claims we make. Claims without evidence aren't worth much IMO, because the casuals do the same thing. They'll say "This needs to change" even though really, there was nothing wrong with it and they were overreacting or maybe misinformed about the success rate of certain shots/strategies. It's human nature.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

I'm turning 32 this year. Most gamers have no idea what happened with 2K and Madden so they incorrectly perceive 2K's market dominance to equate to that of Madden's.

I genuinely love football. I really only got into 2K because I had some buddies that played on the park in 14 and wouldn't let me not play the game.

In general. 2K fans are hopelessly ignorant when it comes to this comparison. I definitely get the frustration and heat surrounding 2K. This is the first year since 15 that I genuinely don't feel excited about picking it up, but this product is sooooooo much better than EA's Madden.

Here's a take from Reddit that I felt summarized the comparison best

I agree. Videogames are just a weird product in general. There's a LOT of things that sounded good on paper, but the moment the game gets into the hands of millions of gamers, it become a different type of situation.

I've said this before. The human element is hard to predict at times. Some people make it their "career" to try to find any and every exploit in the game to gain a competitive "advantage". I think it's sad and absolutely ridiculous when people go out of their way to break a game just so they can say they did. I can't tell you how many times I came across exploits in other games, and I'm dumbfounded, because to me it's like "How in the hell did you find this exploit????".

NBA 2K is a solid game most years, but it really starts to fall apart when players find the metas/exploits and developers scrabble to patch it, BUT THEN the cheaters/cheesers/bums find something else to exploit. After a while, it just becomes a cat and mouse game where developers are stuck fixing the exploits in order to achieve game balance, but lose focus on addressing the gameplay.

[JJ1111]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

I'm turning 32 this year. Most gamers have no idea what happened with 2K and Madden so they incorrectly perceive 2K's market dominance to equate to that of Madden's.

I genuinely love football. I really only got into 2K because I had some buddies that played on the park in 14 and wouldn't let me not play the game.

In general. 2K fans are hopelessly ignorant when it comes to this comparison. I definitely get the frustration and heat surrounding 2K. This is the first year since 15 that I genuinely don't feel excited about picking it up, but this product is sooooooo much better than EA's Madden.

Here's a take from Reddit that I felt summarized the comparison best

There's other people out there who've played both madden and 2K for years.
Ya'll think you're the only ones who've been around lol. In the last few years, 2K has become great at innovating ways to spend VC or give gimmicks. The gameplay has not progressed like it should've. It's going in the same direction as Madden, especially with some in the 2k community throwing their hands up in the air and saying "Well it's a business, I guess I'll just buy it every year 'cause it's the only game out there".

monopoly:
"the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service."

It really doesn't matter how the monopoly happened, the effects are the same. Madden bought their way to it, 2K won it by literally making EA quit. But that was years ago. They haven't had real competition for years, and it's 100% related to why they went into the direction they did and are going further and further away from what made them a good company / product.

[JJ1111]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

I agree. Videogames are just a weird product in general. There's a LOT of things that sounded good on paper, but the moment the game gets into the hands of millions of gamers, it become a different type of situation.

I've said this before. The human element is hard to predict at times. Some people make it their "career" to try to find any and every exploit in the game to gain a competitive "advantage". I think it's sad and absolutely ridiculous when people go out of their way to break a game just so they can say they did. I can't tell you how many times I came across exploits in other games, and I'm dumbfounded, because to me it's like "How in the hell did you find this exploit????".

NBA 2K is a solid game most years, but it really starts to fall apart when players find the metas/exploits and developers scrabble to patch it, BUT THEN the cheaters/cheesers/bums find something else to exploit. After a while, it just becomes a cat and mouse game where developers are stuck fixing the exploits in order to achieve game balance, but lose focus on addressing the gameplay.

Apologizing for 2K again for something that is 100% their responsibility, not the gamers... It's up to them to test their game and find all the exploits, period. They're a multi million dollar company. What do game testers make, $10/hr? Like c'mon, I think they afford it.

[JJ1111]

Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

Trolling...their sales number says something completely different.

It's "trolling" now to state the obvious... It's obvious you're trying to get me banned because you lack the ability to actually making a coherent argument. McDonalds has good sales too. I guess that's a 5 star restaurant. NBA Live had good sales even when the quality sucked. It's a monopoly and basketball fans by basketball games. So use something else beside sales as metric. Can you say they make a "quality NBA simulation" still like they claim? Their game ratings and fan feedback have gone down every single year.