2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

[itrey25]

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Still not 70% shooting...

On wide open 3s ? You sure about that

[ksuttonjr76]

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Stuff like that wouldn’t faze me, and I’ve heard way worse bud

Yeah, it would.

Every time you touch the ball. I would have something to say.

"Watch out now! This young whippersnapper is about to show us some of that modern shooting science! "

Oh! You would be ready to fight me once the game is over.

And what's going to sting is when we get to the end of the game, I would tell you while going down the court..."Hey! We need one point to win. You need three made buckets to get 70%. You still think this is a video game?".

[ksuttonjr76]

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On wide open 3s ? You sure about that

Now we're moving the goal posts? Funny.

Considering that I'm a Pacer fan, I saw that game. In the moment, it felt like he was hitting every shot underneath the Sun, and I was watching the game like "Where's the damn defense!?"

[MrWrestling3]

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On the other end as it relates to greens being 100%, I'm pretty sure Nick Young was positive this was in :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qXGBbSK5Y4

Kemba thought it was automatic too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6dfqMrHzw4

Steph has done it too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leb7duLCWwc

[wrestlinggod1]

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Anyone claiming to absolutely KNOW when a shot is going in, is straight up lying. I guarantee if we asked Steph Curry if he KNOWS when a shot is going in, he’ll say no. When playing basketball, there’s literally no way on earth to KNOW when a shot is going in. Yea the shot may feel good, yea you may be confident in your shot, but you can’t KNOW.

The bigger question here is whether 2K is still interested in being the best simulation of NBA basketball or just trying to make a basketball game. There’s a difference.

[tru11]

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Everytime i shoot i feel like my shot is going in.

Sadly the ball and the rim dont feel the same.

We have been in counseling for the past 20 years to get on the same page.


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[jk31]

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On wide open 3s ? You sure about that

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201939/shots-dash/

Scroll down to "closest defender".


Steph Curry shot 46.9 % from deep on wide open 3pt shots in the 20/21 season.
The best percentage he had in the 18/19 season with 52.3 %.

[VictorMG]

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The bigger question here is whether 2K is still interested in being the best simulation of NBA basketball or just trying to make a basketball game. There’s a difference.

I'd say they're trying to toe the line somewhere in the middle so they don't completely alienate one side of the fanbase. Simheads exist just like non-simheads, and as long as both sides are numerous, we'll never get one extreme or the other, and that makes perfect sense IMO.

[MrWrestling3]

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I'd say they're trying to toe the line somewhere in the middle so they don't completely alienate one side of the fanbase. Simheads exist just like non-simheads, and as long as both sides are numerous, we'll never get one extreme or the other, and that makes perfect sense IMO.

You have a point there, and I think you can make both sides reasonably happy if things are balanced with some common sense.

As a sim guy.... I can deal with good shooters shooting 70% on corner 3's with no defender around;what I dont want are people consistently shooting that well when taking poor shots against good defense or on shots 3 steps out from the top of the arc.

I can deal with poorly positioned defenders getting finished on and fouling the shooter; what I don't want are people who are playing good defense getting slid all the way to the rim for a poster dunk or automatically fouling the shooter.

[VictorMG]

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You have a point there, and I think you can make both sides reasonably happy if things are balanced with some common sense.

As a sim guy.... I can deal with good shooters shooting 70% on corner 3's with no defender around;what I dont want are people consistently shooting that well when taking poor shots against good defense or on shots 3 steps out from the top of the arc.

I can deal with poorly positioned defenders getting finished on and fouling the shooter; what I don't want are people who are playing good defense getting slid all the way to the rim for a poster dunk or automatically fouling the shooter.

I get that, but I'm sure that the non-sim players could easily say the same thing in the inverse about certain things that they believe make the game more realistic but less fun.

You have to take the good with the bad at some point, or just decide that maybe the game isn't for you, or at least maybe this game mode isn't for you.

[JJ1111]

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I get that, but I'm sure that the non-sim players could easily say the same thing in the inverse about certain things that they believe make the game more realistic but less fun.

You have to take the good with the bad at some point, or just decide that maybe the game isn't for you, or at least maybe this game mode isn't for you.

The problem is NBA 2K keeps calling it a simulation, pretending that basketball still matters to them to get sim nation to come along. They need to smack a big 'arcade' label on it, 'cause that's what the last few years have been.

Also the game is what the fanbase makes it, we have influence over the final product via social media or what have you via feedback or backlash.

[VictorMG]

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The problem is NBA 2K keeps calling it a simulation, pretending that basketball still matters to them to get sim nation to come along. They need to smack a big 'arcade' label on it, 'cause that's what the last few years have been.

Also the game is what the fanbase makes it, we have influence over the final product via social media or what have you via feedback or backlash.

If we have to be totally objective and unbiased, I'd definitely say this is a simulation with some arcade elements.

You're asking them to basically "admit" that it's an arcade game, but it's not. This isn't Jam or Street. Certain modes may be arcadey, but the foundation is that of a simulation.

And really, think about what 2K has to go through as far as balancing online modes. They have to have settings that cater as much as possible to every type of gameplay preference (sim vs arcade), every level of skill, every strategy, every single possibility, and there's no way everyone can be happy.

So what can they do? Like I said, I think they're trying to tightrope a line between sim and arcade while maybe favoring arcade because the casual players outnumber the simheads by a lot.

I think that makes perfect sense and 2K shouldn't be criticized for it, but whether or not you agree, you have to decide whether or not you're okay with that or if you need to stop playing certain modes or the game altogether, because it probably won't change very much any time soon.

[JJ1111]

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If we have to be totally objective and unbiased, I'd definitely say this is a simulation with some arcade elements.

You're asking them to basically "admit" that it's an arcade game, but it's not. This isn't Jam or Street. Certain modes may be arcadey, but the foundation is that of a simulation.

And really, think about what 2K has to go through as far as balancing online modes. They have to have settings that cater as much as possible to every type of gameplay preference (sim vs arcade), every level of skill, every strategy, every single possibility, and there's no way everyone can be happy.

So what can they do? Like I said, I think they're trying to tightrope a line between sim and arcade while maybe favoring arcade because the casual players outnumber the simheads by a lot.

I think that makes perfect sense and 2K shouldn't be criticized for it, but whether or not you agree, you have to decide whether or not you're okay with that or if you need to stop playing certain modes or the game altogether, because it probably won't change very much any time soon.

I'd say it's more of a hybrid, depending on the mode and difficulty. The amount of substantial arcade bs that consistently happens in this game, in 'sim modes', is too much for it be called a simulation imo.

you need to stop playing certain modes or the game altogether

I expect park to be arcade, but this crap happens in every mode. We shouldn't have to play offline to expect a realistic gameplay environment. The solution isn't to give up and 'play something else', the solution is to make good Feedback / backlash so loud that they have to change it. I think 2K heard a lot of negative feedback on twitter this year, especially for next gen. Good.

[VictorMG]

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I'd say it's more of a hybrid, depending on the mode and difficulty. The amount of substantial arcade bs that consistently happens in this game, in 'sim modes', is too much for it be called a simulation imo.

I expect park to be arcade, but this crap happens in every mode. We shouldn't have to play offline to expect a realistic gameplay environment.

What type of stuff are you seeing? If you're talking about 5-on-5 games with NBA teams online, I think you should also expect unrealistic play. People are going to do whatever it takes to win, and no game is devoid of exploits that players can take advantage of.

And everything I said about that balance has to occur in any online mode. It's just how it is.

The solution isn't to give up and 'play something else', the solution is to make good Feedback / backlash so loud that they have to change it. I think 2K heard a lot of negative feedback on twitter this year, especially for next gen. Good.

But what I'm saying is I think that's an exercise in futility. Non-sim players will probably always outnumber us. It's been that way forever. Don't blame 2K for that. They're doing what's best for profits.

[JJ1111]

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What type of stuff are you seeing? If you're talking about 5-on-5 games with NBA teams online, I think you should also expect unrealistic play. People are going to do whatever it takes to win, and no game is devoid of exploits that players can take advantage of..

People online can do whatever cheesy bs they want, but it's 100% on 2K to manage the gameplay environment and what types of things are successful. Pro-am is supposed to be a competitive sim mode, especially since it's an esport now. No one's forcing 2K to put in arcade stuff like a deep range badge that let's players shoot from 45 feet out like it's nothing, or handles for days badge that let's players spam dribbling moves. There's plenty more of things like that and that's all on 2K making a conscious decision to allow it or even encourage it.

But what I'm saying is I think that's an exercise in futility. Non-sim players will probably always outnumber us. It's been that way forever. Don't blame 2K for that. They're doing what's best for profits.

Ok I guess the solution is to be quiet and never say anything Lol. I'm gonna keep blaming and criticizing 2K until they get a clue, even if it's futile, for pretending to be a company who wants to create a Nba simulation. Mike Wang lies to the 2K community every single year and he should be called out for it. It's called accountability.