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  • VictorMG
    Pro
    • Jul 2021
    • 678

    #106
    Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

    Originally posted by JJ1111
    Vocalizing the complaints and criticism when warranted and being louder on social media is a good thing. If more sim heads spoke up they might actually have some influence over the direction of the game.
    The problem is that a lot of people confuse being louder with being disrespectful.

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    • kjwill22
      Rookie
      • Dec 2014
      • 244

      #107
      Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

      Y’all making it seem like you shouldn’t be able to make contested shots at all like these niggas in the league make contested shots all the time not at a high percentage unlike some players but still stop making it seem impossible to make contested shots it happens it’s apart of the game


      Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

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      • BQ32
        Pro
        • Jan 2011
        • 671

        #108
        Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

        Originally posted by kjwill22
        Y’all making it seem like you shouldn’t be able to make contested shots at all like these niggas in the league make contested shots all the time not at a high percentage unlike some players but still stop making it seem impossible to make contested shots it happens it’s apart of the game


        Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
        You do bring up a good point, a lot of dudes make contested shots and during the course of an NBA game at least a few shots will go in on good contests but the whole system here compounds the problem to make it seem unbearable when a contested shot goes in. Say I am playing Park or proam against a pretty good team. If I leave their shooters open they are banging them in 70% of the time anyway and some games they won't miss. Now because of the high shooting percentages I have to play so tight and get hit by stun animations or dribble slides etc. and the dude flies right by, I get no help and it is a dunk, if I do get help a wide open corner 3 goes in 80-90% of the time. Now on top of this I am getting sucked into hof screen animations giving up free jumpers and now my big keeps getting way up to contest but it ends up just being a roll for a dunk on an offensive rebound. So now I have to fight all this (didn't even mention the ungodly speedboost meta) defensively to get a good contest. maybe I have still played great defense and get a good contest against the odds the contested shot still goes in 30-40% of the time and sometimes a couple in a row making you think it is just not possible to play any kind of consistent defense. Lets not even mention the rampant cheating where those contest percentages will be even higher and the opens will be 100 unless they miss on purpose to hide that they are cheating. If they want a comp video game meta where every open shot is makeable with a good shooter there also needs to be the possibility that every contested shot can be a guarantee miss by a good enough defender with a high enough contest. This sounds crazy but it is the only way to actually find balance which shows you why it is so crazy to have the possibility every open shot can be made. In reality every contest should not guarantee a miss but the balance is so far shifted offensively that the frustration with contested shots going in at the rate they do is pretty easy to understand.

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        • Pokes404
          MVP
          • Jun 2008
          • 1720

          #109
          Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

          I definitely miss the days where "greening" an open shot simply gave you the best possible chance of the shot going in. It by no means guaranteed that you would make it. Having a mechanic where timing something as simple as a button release can result in a guaranteed bucket just throws the whole shooting system out of whack.

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          • jk31
            MVP
            • Sep 2014
            • 2664

            #110
            Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

            Originally posted by tru11
            Its not a monopoly.




            Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Operation Sports

            how many nba or even Basketball (simulation?) games are out There? for Lots of These casual players 2k might just be another game they Play besides call of duty and what Not. for me its the only way to Play a game of the sports i love.

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            • ksuttonjr76
              All Star
              • Nov 2004
              • 8662

              #111
              Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

              Originally posted by JJ1111
              I never said it was their fault, just that the existence of the monopoly has and is turning them more and more into the company they defeated.
              Them having a "monopoly" still doesn't changes the fact that anyone can step in at any time and without "permission".

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              • MrWrestling3
                MVP
                • May 2015
                • 1146

                #112
                Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

                Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                Them having a "monopoly" still doesn't changes the fact that anyone can step in at any time and without "permission".
                I am saddened more by the fact that noone else has even tried yet other than
                a couple of bad games(though they did have a few good ideas) from EA.

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                • jfsolo
                  Live Action, please?
                  • May 2003
                  • 12965

                  #113
                  Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

                  Originally posted by MrWrestling3
                  I am saddened more by the fact that noone else has even tried yet other than
                  a couple of bad games(though they did have a few good ideas) from EA.
                  It's simply too cost prohibitive to make an earnest effort IMO. You'd have to pay for the license, and then take at least 4 or 5 years to build a game that most basketball video game buyers would even glance at, and even then that game would probably be considered too far behind to be viable. Also in what would be another punch in the gut is that they would probably copy 2K and make their version of "Greens" a 100% guaranteed make shot too.
                  Jordan Mychal Lemos
                  @crypticjordan

                  Do this today: Instead of $%*#!@& on a game you're not going to play or movie you're not going to watch, say something good about a piece of media you're excited about.

                  Do the same thing tomorrow. And the next. Now do it forever.

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                  • VictorMG
                    Pro
                    • Jul 2021
                    • 678

                    #114
                    Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

                    Originally posted by Pokes404
                    I definitely miss the days where "greening" an open shot simply gave you the best possible chance of the shot going in. It by no means guaranteed that you would make it. Having a mechanic where timing something as simple as a button release can result in a guaranteed bucket just throws the whole shooting system out of whack.
                    How often are you seeing perfect releases? You guys sometimes act like there are people who get perfects almost every single time.
                    Last edited by VictorMG; 08-29-2021, 09:00 PM.

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                    • ksuttonjr76
                      All Star
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 8662

                      #115
                      Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

                      Originally posted by VictorMG
                      How often are you seeing perfect releases? You guys sometimes act like there are people who get perfects almost every single time.
                      Is this a serious question?

                      I'll say this much, and I know I see why MORE greens than I don't see. I still play NBA 2K20, so I can't speak on what's it like on NBA 2K21 current or next-gen for REC. For me (in REC), it just comes down to limiting the amount of low contested shots (notice the words that I used) and making them give up the ball when I play defense. If I'm getting screened to death by the bigs, my matchup is easily going shoot to 60+% from 3PTland.

                      However, my perimeter defense is mostly solid, so I really don't worry that much about my matchup dropping buckets on me. Defensively though, I'm more the exception than the rule.

                      EDIT: Now that I'm thinking about...the builds that RARELY get a green/perfect release are the bigs unless the individual created a corner camping glass cleaner. Bigs are lucky to put in a bunny which should be a give-me shot in most basketball games.
                      Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 08-29-2021, 09:17 PM.

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                      • VictorMG
                        Pro
                        • Jul 2021
                        • 678

                        #116
                        Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

                        Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                        If I'm getting screened to death by the bigs, my matchup is easily going shoot to 60+% from 3PTland.
                        Easily? What mode are you playing? Can you record a game to prove your claim?

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                        • ksuttonjr76
                          All Star
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 8662

                          #117
                          Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

                          Originally posted by VictorMG
                          Easily? What mode are you playing? Can you record a game to prove your claim?
                          Do you play the mode? What I'm saying is not Area 51 type information. Dancing behind screens while speed boosting in order to shoot an uncontested or low contested shot is mostly the meta.

                          If they shot "regular" NBA numbers, I wouldn't try so hard to fight through screens, and I would just live with the results in some cases.

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                          • JJ1111
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2021
                            • 70

                            #118
                            Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

                            Originally posted by VictorMG
                            The problem is that a lot of people confuse being louder with being disrespectful.
                            'Cause they're soft lol. Of course there's a way to give feedback, it doesn't have to be disrespectful, just louder relative to the other noise.

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                            • JJ1111
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2021
                              • 70

                              #119
                              Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

                              Originally posted by Pokes404
                              I definitely miss the days where "greening" an open shot simply gave you the best possible chance of the shot going in. It by no means guaranteed that you would make it. Having a mechanic where timing something as simple as a button release can result in a guaranteed bucket just throws the whole shooting system out of whack.
                              Seriously. Omg they pressed a button when they're supposed to, AMAZING SKILL! A 90 year old granny can do that.

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                              • JJ1111
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2021
                                • 70

                                #120
                                Re: 2K desperately needs to move away from guaranteed makes/greens

                                Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                                Them having a "monopoly" still doesn't changes the fact that anyone can step in at any time and without "permission".
                                Great, never said they couldn't, but that doesn't change the fact that their current monopoly is making them suck as a company.

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