Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

[alabamarob]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I didn't really have a problem with corner 3's pre patch like that. Hell users are hitting 3's all over the court even contested.

I make pre adjustments at the begin of every game and I also turn off ACE for defense. I was noticing that my defender would come down to defend the roll/drive but would quickly retreat to close out to the shooter if it was passed to them for a contest which would some times result in a shooting foul. Much more realistic IMO.

That was my experience also. That corner 3 was not a problem.

[kwabalicious]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

I hope y’all are right that it’s just a fixable bug because I’m putting the game down until it gets resolved.

[phenom1990]

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That was my experience also. That corner 3 was not a problem.

I thought the biggest issue with the corner 3 was in 5 out. I’m not sure how much the CPU runs that compare to a user.

[EarvGotti]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

This is a tricky topic but i'll try to break it down for you guys as I was pretty heavily involved in the conversations on Twitter about this before the change was made.

The comp my team guys like to play "bait" defense, where they take an offball defender and stunt or roam areas of the court to get passing lane steals etc. Well this baiting/being out of position was causing the offense to cut frequently thus causing the "cutter help" to trigger as well. The comp guys would be in front of their man to steal the pass but the other corner defender would still come to help. Because the A.I. read the backdoor cutter as being open.

This is tricky because the comp guys have developed this style of play over the past few years and the cutter help was punishing them for it. I argued on Twitter that they could just try to keep everything in front of them on defense but this went against the habits they've built over the past few years of 2K.

Czar was in a tough position because on one hand, the comp players are playing in tourneys for a lot of money. Some of these guys are NBA 2K League players as well, so their voices are really loud. Czar said that there's is no individual setting that can be tweaked in game to the user's preference. With the comp community complaining about it so loudly, he kinda had to make the change.

The comp 5v5 philosophy is to bait passing lane steals and give up 2's over 3's. The cutter help was causing a lot of help defenders dropping from the corner and leaving the open 3. I tried to get some of them to understand that their playstyle on defense was causing that to happen more often than it should.....but they weren't really hearing it.

Czar did what he had to do at the end of the day. It does suck for the SIM community because we want real basketball as much as possible but not everyone in this 2K community wants the same. The 2K community has become a gaming community now rather than a basketball community.


Clips like this pre-update really showed the beauty of how the cutter help defense was at the start of 2K22.

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[jeebs9]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

This is a tricky topic but i'll try to break it down for you guys as I was pretty heavily involved in the conversations on Twitter about this before the change was made.



The comp my team guys like to play "bait" defense, where they take an offball defender and stunt or roam areas of the court to get passing lane steals etc. Well this baiting/being out of position was causing the offense to cut frequently thus causing the "cutter help" to trigger as well. The comp guys would be in front of their man to steal the pass but the other corner defender would still come to help. Because the A.I. read the backdoor cutter as being open.



This is tricky because the comp guys have developed this style of play over the past few years and the cutter help was punishing them for it. I argued on Twitter that they could just try to keep everything in front of them on defense but this went against the habits they've built over the past few years of 2K.



Czar was in a tough position because on one hand, the comp players are playing in tourneys for a lot of money. Some of these guys are NBA 2K League players as well, so their voices are really loud. Czar said that there's is no individual setting that can be tweaked in game to the user's preference. With the comp community complaining about it so loudly, he kinda had to make the change.



The comp 5v5 philosophy is to bait passing lane steals and give up 2's over 3's. The cutter help was causing a lot of help defenders dropping from the corner and leaving the open 3. I tried to get some of them to understand that their playstyle on defense was causing that to happen more often than it should.....but they weren't really hearing it.



Czar did what he had to do at the end of the day. It does suck for the SIM community because we want real basketball as much as possible but not everyone in this 2K community wants the same. The 2K community has become a gaming community now rather than a basketball community.





Clips like this pre-update really showed the beauty of how the cutter help defense was at the start of 2K22.



<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/mo6cZmTGsNE" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

With all that said. I really don't care about the comp players. I care about smart and real NBA basketball. That video of the guy dropping when Wilt had it under control. That **** should never happen. I don't know why anyone would think that's the correct rotation.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Good explanation Earv!

That’s exactly what I was saying earlier. So many game modes and different styles of playing this game and changes needed to 1 mode unfortunately effect another where it wasn’t needed. That’s why I wish these changes could be separated to only effect the mode where it needs to be implemented.

[jeebs9]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Good explanation Earv!



That’s exactly what I was saying earlier. So many game modes and different styles of playing this game and changes needed to 1 mode unfortunately effect another where it wasn’t needed. That’s why I wish these changes could be separated to only effect the mode where it needs to be implemented.

Or give us the option to tell that guy not to drop lol

[bls]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

This is a tricky topic but i'll try to break it down for you guys as I was pretty heavily involved in the conversations on Twitter about this before the change was made.



The comp my team guys like to play "bait" defense, where they take an offball defender and stunt or roam areas of the court to get passing lane steals etc. Well this baiting/being out of position was causing the offense to cut frequently thus causing the "cutter help" to trigger as well. The comp guys would be in front of their man to steal the pass but the other corner defender would still come to help. Because the A.I. read the backdoor cutter as being open.



This is tricky because the comp guys have developed this style of play over the past few years and the cutter help was punishing them for it. I argued on Twitter that they could just try to keep everything in front of them on defense but this went against the habits they've built over the past few years of 2K.



Czar was in a tough position because on one hand, the comp players are playing in tourneys for a lot of money. Some of these guys are NBA 2K League players as well, so their voices are really loud. Czar said that there's is no individual setting that can be tweaked in game to the user's preference. With the comp community complaining about it so loudly, he kinda had to make the change.



The comp 5v5 philosophy is to bait passing lane steals and give up 2's over 3's. The cutter help was causing a lot of help defenders dropping from the corner and leaving the open 3. I tried to get some of them to understand that their playstyle on defense was causing that to happen more often than it should.....but they weren't really hearing it.



Czar did what he had to do at the end of the day. It does suck for the SIM community because we want real basketball as much as possible but not everyone in this 2K community wants the same. The 2K community has become a gaming community now rather than a basketball community.





Clips like this pre-update really showed the beauty of how the cutter help defense was at the start of 2K22.



<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/mo6cZmTGsNE" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The way these guys play, playing offball playing the passing lanes is what causes a lot of the issues they’re having. Now anybody can play the game however they see fit but to change the game to cater to them due to their play style is overwhelmingly disappointing and frustrating being that i pay my 69 bucks as well.


So whatever it is they complain about you just change it because they play in a tourney for some money? So their say is louder.....Ok


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[Luke Skywalker]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Since I am not a comp player, and many of us on here arsnt, why should we buy 2K? Whats the point? Unplayable against the CPU. It’s ridiculous.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Since I am not a comp player, and many of us on here arsnt, why should we buy 2K? Whats the point? Unplayable against the CPU. It’s ridiculous.

Unplayable isn’t the word, but I’m using some house rules.

[jeebs9]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

The way these guys play, playing offball playing the passing lanes is what causes a lot of the issues they’re having. Now anybody can play the game however they see fit but to change the game to cater to them due to their play style is overwhelmingly disappointing and frustrating being that i pay my 69 bucks as well.


So whatever it is they complain about you just change it because they play in a tourney for some money? So their say is louder.....Ok


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Agree!! It's the logic that's terrible here.

[capp34]

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Make a fundamentally sound basketball game. Those who enjoy basketball will play and enjoy the game. There is no need for a “comp” crowd or “sim” crowd. Make basketball seems pretty simple but yet it’s so hard.


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[AIRJ23]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

This is a tricky topic but i'll try to break it down for you guys as I was pretty heavily involved in the conversations on Twitter about this before the change was made.

The comp my team guys like to play "bait" defense, where they take an offball defender and stunt or roam areas of the court to get passing lane steals etc. Well this baiting/being out of position was causing the offense to cut frequently thus causing the "cutter help" to trigger as well. The comp guys would be in front of their man to steal the pass but the other corner defender would still come to help. Because the A.I. read the backdoor cutter as being open.

This is tricky because the comp guys have developed this style of play over the past few years and the cutter help was punishing them for it. I argued on Twitter that they could just try to keep everything in front of them on defense but this went against the habits they've built over the past few years of 2K.

Czar was in a tough position because on one hand, the comp players are playing in tourneys for a lot of money. Some of these guys are NBA 2K League players as well, so their voices are really loud. Czar said that there's is no individual setting that can be tweaked in game to the user's preference. With the comp community complaining about it so loudly, he kinda had to make the change.

The comp 5v5 philosophy is to bait passing lane steals and give up 2's over 3's. The cutter help was causing a lot of help defenders dropping from the corner and leaving the open 3. I tried to get some of them to understand that their playstyle on defense was causing that to happen more often than it should.....but they weren't really hearing it.

Czar did what he had to do at the end of the day. It does suck for the SIM community because we want real basketball as much as possible but not everyone in this 2K community wants the same. The 2K community has become a gaming community now rather than a basketball community.


Clips like this pre-update really showed the beauty of how the cutter help defense was at the start of 2K22.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/mo6cZmTGsNE" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Man, that’s infuriating. So we just lost basketball gameplay for a bunch of people who aren’t actually playing basketball.

I wish someone would make a more boutique actual NBA game. ‘Cause 2K isn’t an actual NBA game if they’re sacrificing NBA gameplay for fake style gameplay. NBA is merely a means to advertise a game that doesn’t prioritize the NBA.

You’d think the NBA is popular enough to warrant a game dedicated solely to the NBA aspect. But I feel like today’s NBA just doesn’t warrant the same enthusiasm it used to. Now the fashion surrounding it plays a bigger role. Ratings are way down while people just watch 5 minute highlights. Games are literal 3 point contests with relaxed defense, very little variety, and it’s just accepted (listen to Pop’s recent comments about the game being boring now and losing its beauty). This issue roots from the NBA itself. Most of us sim heads come from an era where basketball culture was about the basketball and the game was like war on court. Now most subjects surrounding the NBA are about *subjects surrounding the NBA* as opposed to what happens on the court. It’s all just frustrating.

[Mikelopedia]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Da_Czar (@Da_Czar) Tweeted:
@bb8_tech @NBA2K @Beluba Nothing changed in the patch. I’m looking into whatever this maybe.

We all need to be clear when we're saying what changed and when, the patch wasn't what ruined defense. It was a change tied to a roster update a few days prior. Whenever a patch drops it just draws out everyone's microscopes.

[jeebs9]

Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

Unplayable isn’t the word, but I’m using some house rules.

It's one thing to use house rules. But watching Rudy Gobert just hug guys and never want to leave his man and protect the paint. It almost like playing 4 on 5. Because he literally won't do the one thing he's really good at. Leave a terrible shooter.

Make a fundamentally sound basketball game. Those who enjoy basketball will play and enjoy the game. There is no need for a “comp” crowd or “sim” crowd. Make basketball seems pretty simple but yet it’s so hard.


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Huh?.... We have, I should say had a great game. They changed something that literally was a problem before. It's like we fixed a problem. But they us zero options or way out this situation. Like it said before. This hurts! I didn't play last year because of list of problems. This isn't a deal breaker. But my faith is slowly dying with these update roll outs.