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  • ForeverVersatile
    Pro
    • Jan 2011
    • 3498

    #106
    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

    I had no clue you could do this https://youtu.be/2EhaLLtt4hQ


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    • The 24th Letter
      ERA
      • Oct 2007
      • 39373

      #107
      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

      Originally posted by ForeverVersatile
      I had no clue you could do this https://youtu.be/2EhaLLtt4hQ


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      This was in the game last year but I had no idea there were so many sub-options within it..

      Some of the backline rotations in this video are absolutely gorgeous.

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      • vannwolfhawk
        MVP
        • Jun 2009
        • 3412

        #108
        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

        Originally posted by jeebs9
        Or give us the option to tell that guy not to drop lol
        See that’s the thing if we could control through settings it’s not a big deal. But settings don’t work properly so 1 or the other gets screwed.

        I know Chase said earlier don’t make this a comp Vs sim thing but in this scenario it is exactly what it seems to be. I like what someone else said earlier as we get punished for getting real basketball because other people choose to not play real basketball. That’s a problem!
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        • vannwolfhawk
          MVP
          • Jun 2009
          • 3412

          #109
          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

          Originally posted by Mikelopedia
          We all need to be clear when we're saying what changed and when, the patch wasn't what ruined defense. It was a change tied to a roster update a few days prior. Whenever a patch drops it just draws out everyone's microscopes.
          Yes but they said that on an earlier patch or update and it 100% changed things.
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          • Smirkin Dirk
            All Star
            • Oct 2008
            • 5180

            #110
            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

            I thought L1 was just double team


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            • vannwolfhawk
              MVP
              • Jun 2009
              • 3412

              #111
              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

              Originally posted by ForeverVersatile
              I had no clue you could do this https://youtu.be/2EhaLLtt4hQ


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              I never knew this either. Great share! I am going to have to toy with this, but it’s to bad we can’t get weakside corner help in some of those situations instead of strong side help. That’s why I want to toy with specific player help though.

              Like 24 said I liked some of the help and specifically where a guy would step up to play 2 when help came.

              Thanks for sharing…
              Last edited by vannwolfhawk; 10-03-2021, 10:49 PM.
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              • AIRJ23
                MVP
                • Apr 2021
                • 2804

                #112
                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                Originally posted by ForeverVersatile
                I had no clue you could do this https://youtu.be/2EhaLLtt4hQ


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                That’s dope, but unfortunately it doesn’t take care of the biggest issue which is getting the CPU to double us. If only there was a simple setting for that.

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                • Smallville102001
                  All Star
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 6542

                  #113
                  Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                  Originally posted by AIRJ23
                  Man, that’s infuriating. So we just lost basketball gameplay for a bunch of people who aren’t actually playing basketball.

                  I wish someone would make a more boutique actual NBA game. ‘Cause 2K isn’t an actual NBA game if they’re sacrificing NBA gameplay for fake style gameplay. NBA is merely a means to advertise a game that doesn’t prioritize the NBA.

                  You’d think the NBA is popular enough to warrant a game dedicated solely to the NBA aspect. But I feel like today’s NBA just doesn’t warrant the same enthusiasm it used to. Now the fashion surrounding it plays a bigger role. Ratings are way down while people just watch 5 minute highlights. Games are literal 3 point contests with relaxed defense, very little variety, and it’s just accepted (listen to Pop’s recent comments about the game being boring now and losing its beauty). This issue roots from the NBA itself. Most of us sim heads come from an era where basketball culture was about the basketball and the game was like war on court. Now most subjects surrounding the NBA are about *subjects surrounding the NBA* as opposed to what happens on the court. It’s all just frustrating.
                  A lot of the ratings being down is how political its gotten. People dont want to hear about politics watching sports and now you cant even get away from it with sports. Also the talent level is higher than ever before but the rule changes have favored the offensive side of the ball too much. Hopefully with them trying to get away form the silly fouls being called this year that will make it easier to watch. I am not having this lack of defense that people are talking about games seems the same to me has like a week or so ago and still loving the game.
                  Last edited by Smallville102001; 10-04-2021, 01:50 AM.

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                  • vannwolfhawk
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 3412

                    #114
                    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                    Originally posted by AIRJ23
                    That’s dope, but unfortunately it doesn’t take care of the biggest issue which is getting the CPU to double us. If only there was a simple setting for that.
                    So did the cpu stop doubling after patch as well?
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                    • Smallville102001
                      All Star
                      • Mar 2015
                      • 6542

                      #115
                      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                      Originally posted by ForeverVersatile
                      I had no clue you could do this https://youtu.be/2EhaLLtt4hQ


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                      I had no idea about that either will have to give it a try.

                      Originally posted by AIRJ23
                      That’s dope, but unfortunately it doesn’t take care of the biggest issue which is getting the CPU to double us. If only there was a simple setting for that.
                      They should add like a double team in the post and double team on the perimeter frequency sliders or something.

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                      • DonWuan
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 1756

                        #116
                        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                        Could I just get out of the box defense, without stickiness so mid range and fast breaks are apart of the game.

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                        • AIRJ23
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2021
                          • 2804

                          #117
                          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                          Originally posted by Smallville102001
                          A lot of the ratings being down is how political its gotten. People dont want to hear about politics watching sports and now you cant even get away from it with sports. Also the talent level is higher than ever before but the whole changes have favored the offensive side of the ball to much. Hopefully with them trying to get away form the silly fouls being called this year that will make it easier to watch. I am not having this lack of defense that people are talking about games seems the same to me has like a week or so ago and still loving the game.
                          “Political stuff” has nothing to do with it. Ratings were in the gutter for years before that. MJ’s last finals is still the highest rated ever. What does that tell you. Fans have been saying for years that the non physical/non competitive gameplay is why they tuned out. Who wants to watch grown men flopping mid air in Oscar worthy performances to draw fouls cause they were breathed on too hard, or delaying games for 30 minutes to cry to refs. Far as I’m concerned, all the talent in the world can’t overcome rules designed to let any normie drop 30 a night with no problem. No hand checks, stupid 3 second paint rules on defense so softies can drive into wide open paint without a bruise or having to navigate around 7 footers clogging your path like before. It’s not exciting when everyone is behind the three point line and there’s no big “boss” to have to “beat” in order to score in the paint. True talent can’t be gauged with the offensive favoring coddling the league has now. Nor when defense is a forgotten art and considered non essential (how many guys today are considered amongst best in league when their defense is amongst worst of all time).

                          The “politics” thing is a cop out to further an opposing agenda. It’s about the game. Has been for years. Look at any comment section in the last decade+. Writing’s been on the wall. Who wants to watch 2 hours of wide open or step back threes? It’s boring, like Pop said. I still watch full old school games all the time. New games I just catch the highlights. It’s no wonder today’s pre teens who direct where 2K goes are uninterested in the nuances of actual basketball.

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                          • AIRJ23
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2021
                            • 2804

                            #118
                            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                            Originally posted by vannwolfhawk
                            So did the cpu stop doubling after patch as well?
                            I cringe to say I’ve been told it has. Haven’t tested it myself yet. Czar said they should “still be coming late to hot players” whatever that technically implies. Hopefully it’s just a bug as to why they’re not.

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                            • el jimmy
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 77

                              #119
                              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                              I think the doubles are currently working well (could always be better) last night I played Mavs vs knicks solely to see if I could get away with exploiting the Luka vs kemba matchup.

                              10 straight points of Luka bullying kemba in the post (too f***ING little!) and the cpu comes out of the timeout with doubles on Luka in the post.

                              Later on after hitting step back isos and exploiting the pnr, they just started doubling him on the perimeter for the rest of the game - essentially trying to take the ball out of his hands.

                              This game is so close gameplay wise to being dynamic and challenging, if we could just get the help d back I'll be in heaven.

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                              • vannwolfhawk
                                MVP
                                • Jun 2009
                                • 3412

                                #120
                                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                                Originally posted by el jimmy
                                I think the doubles are currently working well (could always be better) last night I played Mavs vs knicks solely to see if I could get away with exploiting the Luka vs kemba matchup.

                                10 straight points of Luka bullying kemba in the post (too f***ING little!) and the cpu comes out of the timeout with doubles on Luka in the post.

                                Later on after hitting step back isos and exploiting the pnr, they just started doubling him on the perimeter for the rest of the game - essentially trying to take the ball out of his hands.

                                This game is so close gameplay wise to being dynamic and challenging, if we could just get the help d back I'll be in heaven.
                                Ok good to hear! That’s what I had also been seeing a lot of before but had seen a few post otherwise hence my question.
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