The Official Rate My Trade Thread

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Well if you're going to try and compare Irving and Conley as being anything close to "equal" (especially in-game wise) then it's obviously going to look lopsided, but good luck finding anyone to agree with you. Conley is a 75 and basically maxed out, Irving is an 81 by his second year and puts up better number's as a rookie than Conley does his entire career, Irving is also one of 10 player's in the entire franchise with at least 4.5 stars for a trade value, Conley has 2. The Grizzlies also dump Gay's contract a few years early (who is an 81 and maxed out), giving them $13 million next year to play with to add around the group of Irving, Mayo, Randolph and Gasol.

I never said Conley was better, I stated that Irving was potentially better because he will be better throughout his career. Conley is only 23 and can be improved easily if you're not satisfied with him anyways. Your argument about "dumping Rudy's contract" doesn't make sense. Rudy makes significantly less than Rashard. For example Rudy makes $15 mil in his second season, where Rashard makes over $22 mil. That's not a salaray dump. And even though Rashard's contract ends earlier he's 31. Rudy's only what 24? I'd rather have Rudy for 5 more years anyways since he's the go to option on their team. Also, who said Rudy is maxed out? He's only 24.

[Suntan Superman]

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Yeah, I'd say that's a severely lopsided trade to the Wizards. Miami doesn't really get helped at all, the Grizz look awful, and the Wizards get a far more polished big in Bosh, and a younger better 3 in Gay? I don't even know why the Grizz would wanna "dump" Gay's contract, it just seems foolish.

[Sammidysam]

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Finished the trade.

Thunder trade:
James Harden
Kendrick Perkins
Warriors trade:
Monta Ellis
(some guy rated 61 that I can't remember their name. I just used him as a draft pick, I'll probably just put him in the D-league)

[DemiGodzillla]

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I never said Conley was better, I stated that Irving was potentially better because he will be better throughout his career. Conley is only 23 and can be improved easily if you're not satisfied with him anyways. Your argument about "dumping Rudy's contract" doesn't make sense. Rudy makes significantly less than Rashard. For example Rudy makes $15 mil in his second season, where Rashard makes over $22 mil. That's not a salaray dump. And even though Rashard's contract ends earlier he's 31. Rudy's only what 24? I'd rather have Rudy for 5 more years anyways since he's the go to option on their team. Also, who said Rudy is maxed out? He's only 24.

First let me say these are Chia's rosters, so ratings aren't the same as the default nor are trade values (Gay is an 81, Bosh 78, Lewis 73, Irving 76, Blatche 74). however this deal was accepted flat out the first time I proposed it with no trade override, anyway...

You said he was a potential upgrade which isn't true, he's a definite upgrade no matter what happens, he's an upgrade in his first year and every year after that he get's better while Conley never gets over a 79 without wasting dozens of training camps on him. You're focusing too much on Gay and not enough on how much better they are with Irving at the Point than Conley because Irving is far and away the center piece and eventual best player in the trade.

Also, I said they dump Gay's contract EARLY, when Rashard's contract expires after this season Rudy's contract has 3 years left on it.

16.5 M in 12/13
17.9 M in 13/14
19.3 M in 14/15

On top of that Conley has 3 years left also

8 M in 12/13
8.7 M in 13/14
9.4 M in 14/15

That's $26 M they would be obligated to be paying Gay and Mayo in 2013 that's off the books for them. They can use that too add around ZBo, Gasol, Mayo (who already resigned) and Irving who will all still be there, after (if) Powe leaves Donatas will start to develop also. They already have solid players and now they'll have a young stud to lead the team at the 1 and 20+ million to play with to build around him, I don't understand how you could possibly think this is so lopsided.

Wizards Trade
Kyrie Irving (MEM)
Rashard Lewis (MEM)
Andray Blatche (MIA)

Grizzlies Trade
Rudy Gay (WAS)
Michael Conley (MIA)
Ishmael Smith (MIA)
Darrel Arthur (MIA)

Miami Trades
Chris Bosh (WAS)
Mario Chalmers (WAS)


As for whoever said The Heat were getting jobbed, that's hilarious, they now have someone to run the team as a PG and get someone who can actually play center while Udonis plays the 4. Also I forgot to put this into the original post because it happened after I posted, but I also threw in Darrell Arthur to the Heat because he was unhappy in Memphis.

[Suntan Superman]

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I'd take Chalmers on that team over Conley, Wade and LeBron are already good passers, they need more of defense/3pt threat at the point than a guy who has good distribution skills, I mean Wade and LeBron compete for the best player on the planet, why on earth would you take the ball out of their hands to start a possession when it already puts the defense on their heels? Your incredibly bias towards your coup de gras is evident, so I don't really see any point in continuing this. You're never gonna think any different of the trade.

[Suntan Superman]

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Also, to judge the trade realistically, we have to realize that the Grizz don't know that Kyrie Irving is going to develop into a great PG on the game or whatever, you're trading them an unknown commodity(Irving), an albatross contract(Lewis)(which does come off the books but with ZBo and Gasol I'm in win-now mode not build again mode), and make them give up arguably their best player(Gay) and a Point man who they already know fits their system and meshes with the team(Conley)

[DemiGodzillla]

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I'd take Chalmers on that team over Conley, Wade and LeBron are already good passers, they need more of defense/3pt threat at the point than a guy who has good distribution skills, I mean Wade and LeBron compete for the best player on the planet, why on earth would you take the ball out of their hands to start a possession when it already puts the defense on their heels? Your incredibly bias towards your coup de gras is evident, so I don't really see any point in continuing this. You're never gonna think any different of the trade.

No need to get all emotional just having a discussion.

[DemiGodzillla]

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Also, to judge the trade realistically, we have to realize that the Grizz don't know that Kyrie Irving is going to develop into a great PG on the game or whatever, you're trading them an unknown commodity(Irving), an albatross contract(Lewis)(which does come off the books but with ZBo and Gasol I'm in win-now mode not build again mode), and make them give up arguably their best player(Gay) and a Point man who they already know fits their system and meshes with the team(Conley)

lol if you want to judge the trade realistically then they just made it deep into the playoffs without Gay, and Miami just proved that they have no idea how to play against a zone because there's no actual PG directing the offense and they're running around freelancing, which kills both of your points.

[Suntan Superman]

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I'm not emotional? I just think it's hilarious you're so hardheaded about this trade.

[Suntan Superman]

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lol if you want to judge the trade realistically then they just made it deep into the playoffs without Gay, and Miami just proved that they have no idea how to play against a zone because there's no actual PG directing the offense and they're running around freelancing, which kills both of your points.

You're right, making it deep in the playoffs without your best player, clearly means you wouldn't do any better WITH your best player. Excellent point.

Yeah and? Conley wouldn't help that much, in fact he'd make them less-effective at breaking a zone down. Once LeBron/Wade are able to figure out how to break people down off of a zone, it'll be different. I'd hardly say this point is broken because in one series two slashing players were shut down. But like I said, your incredible bias towards this trade is quite evident(and hilarious) its like my four year old demanding chocolate milk before bed.

[DemiGodzillla]

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I'm not emotional? I just think it's hilarious you're so hardheaded about this trade.

: ok, i didn't realize defending your point made you hardheaded, my mistake of course, I'm quite finished now.

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Basically, I wouldn't do that trade and be happy thinking everyone gets a fair deal in my Association, but that's just me. However, I do give you props on getting the 3-team trade to go through first time.

[Suntan Superman]

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: ok, i didn't realize defending your point made you hardheaded, my mistake of course, I'm quite finished now.

no, the fact you're accepting zero criticism and acting like you've pulled off the epitome of a perfect trade and there's zero wrong with it makes you hardheaded

Basically, I wouldn't do that trade and be happy thinking everyone gets a fair deal in my Association, but that's just me. However, I do give you props on getting the 3-team trade to go through first time.

I agree on both accounts, mad props for getting a 3 team trade to go through that didn't hurt your team at all. And I'd only do this trade if I was the Wizards.

[DemiGodzillla]

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no, the fact you're accepting zero criticism and acting like you've pulled off the epitome of a perfect trade and there's zero wrong with it makes you hardheaded


I agree on both accounts, mad props for getting a 3 team trade to go through that didn't hurt your team at all. And I'd only do this trade if I was the Wizards.

After adjusting each team's sliders to fit their new players and style I decided to run a quick test

Heat lost in the conference Semi's the first year, won the finals the second year

Grizzlies missed the playoffs the first year and made the playoffs the second year. Obviously they both got shafted.

[thaprodigyisback]

2010-2011 in my association Hawks made the playoffs like usual and got knocked out like usual. In the offseason they signed Tayshaun Prince, Kenyon Martin, and Andre Miller while losing Crawford. Then I did this trade...

Hawks get-
Michael Beasley
Luke Ridnour
Darko
John Salmons
2nd Rounder

Wolves get-
Joe Johnson
Jeff Teague
63 rated rookie

Bucks get
Marvin Williams

I wanted to get rid of Joe Johnsons Max Contract and get a center that can defend big centers who I got in Darko, a scorer to replace Joe (Beasley), and another guy that could create his own shot (Salmons). Ridnour was just to make the salaries match.
I did everything to try and keep Teague but the Wolves wouldn't accept without him.

My lineup
PG-Hinrich, Miller, Ridnour
SG-John Salmons, Prince
SF-Beasley, Prince, Smith
PF-Josh Smith, Kenyon,Darko
C-Horford, Darko, Zaza

Minnesota
PG-Jonny Flynn, Jeff Teague
SG-Joe Johnson, Ellington, Webster
SF-Wesley Johnson, Webster
PF-Anthony Randolph, Tolliver
C-Kevin Love, 7'0 rookie