Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

[Dino]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Ummm, seems like this Timeout thing could be easily patched on Xbox. What's the big dealio, patch it baby!

[Dino]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Ummm, seems like this Timeout thing could be easily patched on Xbox. What's the big dealio, patch it baby!

[gez20]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Ugh, how annoying...boy am I glad my PS2 broke when it did.

[gez20]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Ugh, how annoying...boy am I glad my PS2 broke when it did.

[dmfreck]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Ummm, seems like this Timeout thing could be easily patched on Xbox. What's the big dealio, patch it baby!

Traditionally MS has frowned upon patching anything but online play with XBL. They don't want to set a precedent for game developers to allow for crappy retail products + a first week patch for known bugs. While this model "works" ok for the PC, it would outrage console owners because not everyone a) has XBox Live (or PS2's online service) or b) has a hard drive to store patches (such as the PS2)

That said...I would love for this to be patched.

[dmfreck]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Ummm, seems like this Timeout thing could be easily patched on Xbox. What's the big dealio, patch it baby!

Traditionally MS has frowned upon patching anything but online play with XBL. They don't want to set a precedent for game developers to allow for crappy retail products + a first week patch for known bugs. While this model "works" ok for the PC, it would outrage console owners because not everyone a) has XBox Live (or PS2's online service) or b) has a hard drive to store patches (such as the PS2)

That said...I would love for this to be patched.

[bizcanos]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Man, if this does not get fixed, I am going with Live. This really upsets me as I have been playing since 2k on the DC. I just rented Live, but ESPN's gameplay is so much better. I have not bought Live since 1998 but this timeout problem has already ruined a couple of games for me. If VC does not do something about this, I'm through. PEACE!

[bizcanos]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Man, if this does not get fixed, I am going with Live. This really upsets me as I have been playing since 2k on the DC. I just rented Live, but ESPN's gameplay is so much better. I have not bought Live since 1998 but this timeout problem has already ruined a couple of games for me. If VC does not do something about this, I'm through. PEACE!

[neovsmatrix]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Ummm, seems like this Timeout thing could be easily patched on Xbox. What's the big dealio, patch it baby!

The problem is it seems Visual Concepts doesn't give a damn, and they won't patch it. It's also a problem that too few gamers really are NBA sim fans even if they say they are, and they end up calling this a "minor" bug.

I don't know if there will be enough pressure to get them to patch the game before it's too late and next season's games are upon us. All I know is, I'm not giving Visual Concepts my money next season unless they make amends by patching this year's title.

[neovsmatrix]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Ummm, seems like this Timeout thing could be easily patched on Xbox. What's the big dealio, patch it baby!

The problem is it seems Visual Concepts doesn't give a damn, and they won't patch it. It's also a problem that too few gamers really are NBA sim fans even if they say they are, and they end up calling this a "minor" bug.

I don't know if there will be enough pressure to get them to patch the game before it's too late and next season's games are upon us. All I know is, I'm not giving Visual Concepts my money next season unless they make amends by patching this year's title.

[bball_1523]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

The problem is it seems Visual Concepts doesn't give a damn, and they won't patch it. It's also a problem that too few gamers really are NBA sim fans even if they say they are, and they end up calling this a "minor" bug.

I don't know if there will be enough pressure to get them to patch the game before it's too late and next season's games are upon us. All I know is, I'm not giving Visual Concepts my money next season unless they make amends by patching this year's title.

if they patch the timeout issue, will you like the game more, or will you look for more bugs that might kill the game for you? Or what if they patch all the silly bugs?

do you think the game will be good with patches?

[bball_1523]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

The problem is it seems Visual Concepts doesn't give a damn, and they won't patch it. It's also a problem that too few gamers really are NBA sim fans even if they say they are, and they end up calling this a "minor" bug.

I don't know if there will be enough pressure to get them to patch the game before it's too late and next season's games are upon us. All I know is, I'm not giving Visual Concepts my money next season unless they make amends by patching this year's title.

if they patch the timeout issue, will you like the game more, or will you look for more bugs that might kill the game for you? Or what if they patch all the silly bugs?

do you think the game will be good with patches?

[spankdatazz22]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Is that an excuse? I hope you're not telling me that Visual Concepts' excuse is that EA sports does the same thing. You do see the problem here right? Both companies don't do a damn thing to change their approach, they keep rushing out products and the consumers keep getting screwed and have to make do with half-finished products.

Games are released early BECAUSE of the consumers. Fact is, when a game goes to an early (earlier) release date people get excited and almost always jump on the title - PERIOD. People were buzzing on these forums when EA announced Live's early release. The vast majority of game buyers want their games sooner rather than later. And the risk to the developer holding a game for trying to release a perfect as possible product is too great. Last year, VC held NFL2k4 for an extra month and people buried it as having NO chance sales-wise. The fact that it was a quality game was pretty much it's only saving grace - and it suffered in sales. But that game had bugs also - and they waited an additional MONTH. NBA2k5 was moved up an additional week - one week - and chances are, the early release was in the works anyway. All sports games will have glitches or something that's perceived by SOMEONE as a glitch; we need to be more tolerant of that fact.

I'm guessing very few, if any of us know how difficult bug testing is. I don't blame EA or it's testers for the quicksand glitch - how can you take every contingency into account? Same for the lefty glitch. I doubt the majority of people that buy the games even realize these glitches are present - unless they visit a forum. I probably wouldn't have noticed the TO glitch myself unless I read it here. I'm not trying to say that they shouldn't bare some of the blame. But I think calling them incompetent or worse is a bit of a stretch. I blame companies when there are gameplay issues that can be solved with a little work. Live was pretty much unplayable out of the box, but with a lot of slider work, Pared's sliders made the game enjoyable for many. Don't build in speed cheats or superhuman computer play to make up for gameplay deficiencies. Those are the things you can blame a developer for. As far as I can tell, those don't appear to be in NBA2k5.

For me, the game plays just as fantastic right now as it did when I left it for work this morning. I understand those people wanting an ultra-realistic experience may be disappointed. But these games are in competition. Until consumers start demanding that games release as flaw-free as possible, you have to accept that things like this will occur. The fact is, next year may even be worse in terms of early release dates. Most people just aren't willing to wait to get a game in their hands. If anything, it's us (collectively) that are doing the disservice to ourselves.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Is that an excuse? I hope you're not telling me that Visual Concepts' excuse is that EA sports does the same thing. You do see the problem here right? Both companies don't do a damn thing to change their approach, they keep rushing out products and the consumers keep getting screwed and have to make do with half-finished products.

Games are released early BECAUSE of the consumers. Fact is, when a game goes to an early (earlier) release date people get excited and almost always jump on the title - PERIOD. People were buzzing on these forums when EA announced Live's early release. The vast majority of game buyers want their games sooner rather than later. And the risk to the developer holding a game for trying to release a perfect as possible product is too great. Last year, VC held NFL2k4 for an extra month and people buried it as having NO chance sales-wise. The fact that it was a quality game was pretty much it's only saving grace - and it suffered in sales. But that game had bugs also - and they waited an additional MONTH. NBA2k5 was moved up an additional week - one week - and chances are, the early release was in the works anyway. All sports games will have glitches or something that's perceived by SOMEONE as a glitch; we need to be more tolerant of that fact.

I'm guessing very few, if any of us know how difficult bug testing is. I don't blame EA or it's testers for the quicksand glitch - how can you take every contingency into account? Same for the lefty glitch. I doubt the majority of people that buy the games even realize these glitches are present - unless they visit a forum. I probably wouldn't have noticed the TO glitch myself unless I read it here. I'm not trying to say that they shouldn't bare some of the blame. But I think calling them incompetent or worse is a bit of a stretch. I blame companies when there are gameplay issues that can be solved with a little work. Live was pretty much unplayable out of the box, but with a lot of slider work, Pared's sliders made the game enjoyable for many. Don't build in speed cheats or superhuman computer play to make up for gameplay deficiencies. Those are the things you can blame a developer for. As far as I can tell, those don't appear to be in NBA2k5.

For me, the game plays just as fantastic right now as it did when I left it for work this morning. I understand those people wanting an ultra-realistic experience may be disappointed. But these games are in competition. Until consumers start demanding that games release as flaw-free as possible, you have to accept that things like this will occur. The fact is, next year may even be worse in terms of early release dates. Most people just aren't willing to wait to get a game in their hands. If anything, it's us (collectively) that are doing the disservice to ourselves.

[DiceMan]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

this so disheartening. i love how this game plays but how and i mean for the love of god HOW can they let another major bug like this get through? it almost makes me wanna say screw vc but i cant because they do put out games that "play" beauitfully. i just hope someone can find a fix to this major problem. i will prob still play the game but honestly how can they expect to overtake ea with stupid issues like this that can be easy avoided?