CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

[fletcher2332]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

I feel the same way. I can work the things you mentioned but for me, I'd like to keep a user record, id like to play franchise... This is a gamekiller and I wont even play another game AT ALL, knowing in the back of my mind that a bug like this lingers.

Maybe my mind will change.. but i dont know right now.. i had a great OT game on AS in exhibtion mode with everything default including the TO's, and it didnt seem to bother the CPU. but then again I WAS the one calling my OWN TO's

Someone said earlier for an exhibiton game you can keep your stats and have the CPU call timeouts. You just start the game with two controllers, one with your vip record. Before the tip off use the second controller and change the cpu TO and late game fouling. Then all you do is go to options and put the second controller back in the middle. Wa La I had the cpu calling like 3 time outs in the first half, and unlocked crap for 10 blocks, 15 assists etc. Piece of cake, no option though for franchise. There would not even be a way to save a TO for the computer towards the end of the game. If they are down with the ball you can't call a timeout, who thought of that?

[stephenyoungchoi]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

*** appologies for the long, meaningless post in advance ***
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yes we know the timeout bug is a problem. no one is saying it's not. but it's in the game, wut u gonna do?? i'm gonna still play this game and i really like it. i just play these games to have fun. i don't have to exactly recreate an nba season to say its a good game. yea the cpu doesn't call timeouts. if dat stops you from playing, then it's all you. there are plenty people who will still play this game.

now im not saying bug and glitches are acceptable, but we did want this game rushed and in our hands as soon as possible. we don't know how far along VC was with this game, but im sure they were hella rushed. and also IMO sports games are the hardest to test and fix bugs and glitches. there are so many different variables, situations and rules in sports. i don't think it's an easy task to catch and fix ever single bug in a game. im not a game developer but im pretty sure it's hard to progam stuff into game. we say very simply "why don't u put such and such, or fix such and such" as if you can juss erase one line of code in the program and it will be created. we give these guys less then a year to give us a brand new game. i think it's hard to expect a "perfect" game. yes i know that some of the problems in this game are so called "game killers" to some of you, but to some of us it's not. like i said, i play these games to have fun and i'm having fun even with these problems and i will continue to play this game untill next years version comes out. these problems exist and you can do 2 things. play it or not. everyone knows the problems exist, so we don't need to keep hearing complaints over and over about the same thing.

keep in mind also the VERY short limit of time these compaines (both EA and VC) have to complete these games. LESS THEN 1 YEAR. non-sports games sometimes take years and years to make. games like metal gear, final fantasy for example, take years to complete. and these are not sports games. these are games that basically follow a script. sports games are all random, and have all random events. there is no story or script to follow. so it's that much harder to be bug, or glitch free.

let's just hope for all these future sports games that they can take alil more time and effort to help solve these little problems and hope they aren't pushed around by us consumers to keep rushing out these title when the season months away. as for this years games, they are already out and the bugs exist in these games. im just gonna play mine and have fun and i would recomend to others to just enjoy the games we have. there is nothing we can do for this years games. if you really dissaprove with these companies, crying and complaining will only do so much. the only way you can get them back is not to support them. don't buy any of their games, dont' click on their website. just let them lose all consumers and shut down. if you don't want that, then continue to support them just like i do and enjoy what you have.
just had to post this because i see non stop bashing and whining from the same people over the same stuff. if that was me, i wouldn't be complaining non-stop, i just wouldn't support them. but that's just me......

[stephenyoungchoi]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

*** appologies for the long, meaningless post in advance ***
__________________________________________________ ______________
yes we know the timeout bug is a problem. no one is saying it's not. but it's in the game, wut u gonna do?? i'm gonna still play this game and i really like it. i just play these games to have fun. i don't have to exactly recreate an nba season to say its a good game. yea the cpu doesn't call timeouts. if dat stops you from playing, then it's all you. there are plenty people who will still play this game.

now im not saying bug and glitches are acceptable, but we did want this game rushed and in our hands as soon as possible. we don't know how far along VC was with this game, but im sure they were hella rushed. and also IMO sports games are the hardest to test and fix bugs and glitches. there are so many different variables, situations and rules in sports. i don't think it's an easy task to catch and fix ever single bug in a game. im not a game developer but im pretty sure it's hard to progam stuff into game. we say very simply "why don't u put such and such, or fix such and such" as if you can juss erase one line of code in the program and it will be created. we give these guys less then a year to give us a brand new game. i think it's hard to expect a "perfect" game. yes i know that some of the problems in this game are so called "game killers" to some of you, but to some of us it's not. like i said, i play these games to have fun and i'm having fun even with these problems and i will continue to play this game untill next years version comes out. these problems exist and you can do 2 things. play it or not. everyone knows the problems exist, so we don't need to keep hearing complaints over and over about the same thing.

keep in mind also the VERY short limit of time these compaines (both EA and VC) have to complete these games. LESS THEN 1 YEAR. non-sports games sometimes take years and years to make. games like metal gear, final fantasy for example, take years to complete. and these are not sports games. these are games that basically follow a script. sports games are all random, and have all random events. there is no story or script to follow. so it's that much harder to be bug, or glitch free.

let's just hope for all these future sports games that they can take alil more time and effort to help solve these little problems and hope they aren't pushed around by us consumers to keep rushing out these title when the season months away. as for this years games, they are already out and the bugs exist in these games. im just gonna play mine and have fun and i would recomend to others to just enjoy the games we have. there is nothing we can do for this years games. if you really dissaprove with these companies, crying and complaining will only do so much. the only way you can get them back is not to support them. don't buy any of their games, dont' click on their website. just let them lose all consumers and shut down. if you don't want that, then continue to support them just like i do and enjoy what you have.
just had to post this because i see non stop bashing and whining from the same people over the same stuff. if that was me, i wouldn't be complaining non-stop, i just wouldn't support them. but that's just me......

[Admiral50]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

keep in mind also the VERY short limit of time these compaines (both EA and VC) have to complete these games. LESS THEN 1 YEAR. non-sports games sometimes take years and years to make. games like metal gear, final fantasy for example, take years to complete. and these are not sports games. these are games that basically follow a script. sports games are all random, and have all random events. there is no story or script to follow. so it's that much harder to be bug, or glitch free.

Yeah but something like the timeout bug should never exist. It should have been found day one. And to make things worse there are bugs like the 'win playoff games but are given a loss' and the 'incorrect stats' bugs that have been there for years. There's simply no excuse for that.

[Admiral50]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

keep in mind also the VERY short limit of time these compaines (both EA and VC) have to complete these games. LESS THEN 1 YEAR. non-sports games sometimes take years and years to make. games like metal gear, final fantasy for example, take years to complete. and these are not sports games. these are games that basically follow a script. sports games are all random, and have all random events. there is no story or script to follow. so it's that much harder to be bug, or glitch free.

Yeah but something like the timeout bug should never exist. It should have been found day one. And to make things worse there are bugs like the 'win playoff games but are given a loss' and the 'incorrect stats' bugs that have been there for years. There's simply no excuse for that.

[Vince]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

keep in mind also the VERY short limit of time these compaines (both EA and VC) have to complete these games. LESS THEN 1 YEAR. non-sports games sometimes take years and years to make. games like metal gear, final fantasy for example, take years to complete. and these are not sports games. these are games that basically follow a script. sports games are all random, and have all random events. there is no story or script to follow. so it's that much harder to be bug, or glitch free.

No one would die if they'd just delayed it for a week or two to polish their games up...

[Vince]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

keep in mind also the VERY short limit of time these compaines (both EA and VC) have to complete these games. LESS THEN 1 YEAR. non-sports games sometimes take years and years to make. games like metal gear, final fantasy for example, take years to complete. and these are not sports games. these are games that basically follow a script. sports games are all random, and have all random events. there is no story or script to follow. so it's that much harder to be bug, or glitch free.

No one would die if they'd just delayed it for a week or two to polish their games up...

[blueduke]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

what's worse imo is the cpu trading in franchise mode. What's the use of having an "updated" roster if the cpu is going to make sure it doesn't stay updated for long? If Shaq is playing for Miami in real life that's what I want in the game. it's not like they haven't made this mistake before. Just a month ago as a matter of fact. But even then you could alleviate the problem by controlling all the teams.Now they make the same stupid mistake and on a grander scale. VC is their own worst enemy sometimes

[blueduke]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

what's worse imo is the cpu trading in franchise mode. What's the use of having an "updated" roster if the cpu is going to make sure it doesn't stay updated for long? If Shaq is playing for Miami in real life that's what I want in the game. it's not like they haven't made this mistake before. Just a month ago as a matter of fact. But even then you could alleviate the problem by controlling all the teams.Now they make the same stupid mistake and on a grander scale. VC is their own worst enemy sometimes

[spankdatazz22]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Who's to say one additional week would've fixed the problem? NFL2k4 was delayed an additional MONTH. There were STILL bugs in that game. People railed against them for things they found wrong in that game. AND they suffered financially for releasing the game so late after Madden. It's a Catch-22 for these guys; damned if you do and damned if you don't. And I'll say this: hardcore gamers' expectations such as ourselves have grown so much to the point where many times we just appear to be totally unforgiving for certain issues within a game.

I was listening to a talk radio show where the host said he was given the most realistic football game he's ever seen, and was amazed by the graphics and gameplay and how far games had come. I'm expecting him to say it's NFL2k5, and here he's talking about NCAA 2005. Most of us would acknowledge that of the big three, NCAA is the LEAST of the three, graphically. Casual gamers that make up most of the game buying public don't have the same super-high expectations we do.

I guess I'm more understanding about bugs in games because I look at the situation. VC is a company that's a fraction of the size of EA, with probably a fraction of the budget EA wields. Yet everyone expects them to compete head-to-head with EA. They had to slash prices of their games just to get noticed, which is a shame. And even at half (and LESS than half) the price of their competitor, people hold them to a standard they wouldn't even hold EA to.

It's the game buying public that places these demands on developers; not developers simply being "lazy" by trying to sell us shoddy products. There are more options in this year's games than in any other before it; next year there will be more than this year. We keep wanting more, and wanting it in our hands faster.

"How come ESPN doesn't have more commercials on TV?"
"When's Steve getting the demo and giving impressions?"
"This week's Fear the Fro didn't show enough gameplay movies"
"I simmed a season and Shaq's scoring average is off by three points from what it is in real life"
"Create a player is horrible"

Create a player is the most useless feature in ANY videogame to me - I never use it. But there's always a group I'll read about that for them, it's all about that mode. And if it isn't what they want it to be, they yell. We place a LOT of demands on these guys (developers). And I would rather games came out later, rather than sooner. I said years back that EA started a dangerous precedence when it moved Madden from Sept. to August to get a jump on sales. It's just something these developers HAVE to do since they're in direct competition. If NBA Live were the only game available right now, most of us would have it. And if most of us were satisfied with that purchase, very few would even look to purchase ESPN. Even if it were bug free. Because then it would become an issue of, "It doesn't do THIS as well as Inside Drive (a game that's been CANCELLED, I might add)." Or "They should've done THAT with franchise".

They have the most feature-packed games that play without lag online (from what I hear, haven't tried yet) AND they're the only game with online leagues with living rosters.

For $20.

Yet people talk as if it's a waste of money because there's something they feel is obvious that should/shouldn't be in the game. I enjoy the game immensely, and there are many others that do also. And I do appreciate you guys that want the total sim experience, because you're fighting the good fight. But at some point, there has to be some area of forgiveness - not this never-ending pursuit of perfection.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Who's to say one additional week would've fixed the problem? NFL2k4 was delayed an additional MONTH. There were STILL bugs in that game. People railed against them for things they found wrong in that game. AND they suffered financially for releasing the game so late after Madden. It's a Catch-22 for these guys; damned if you do and damned if you don't. And I'll say this: hardcore gamers' expectations such as ourselves have grown so much to the point where many times we just appear to be totally unforgiving for certain issues within a game.

I was listening to a talk radio show where the host said he was given the most realistic football game he's ever seen, and was amazed by the graphics and gameplay and how far games had come. I'm expecting him to say it's NFL2k5, and here he's talking about NCAA 2005. Most of us would acknowledge that of the big three, NCAA is the LEAST of the three, graphically. Casual gamers that make up most of the game buying public don't have the same super-high expectations we do.

I guess I'm more understanding about bugs in games because I look at the situation. VC is a company that's a fraction of the size of EA, with probably a fraction of the budget EA wields. Yet everyone expects them to compete head-to-head with EA. They had to slash prices of their games just to get noticed, which is a shame. And even at half (and LESS than half) the price of their competitor, people hold them to a standard they wouldn't even hold EA to.

It's the game buying public that places these demands on developers; not developers simply being "lazy" by trying to sell us shoddy products. There are more options in this year's games than in any other before it; next year there will be more than this year. We keep wanting more, and wanting it in our hands faster.

"How come ESPN doesn't have more commercials on TV?"
"When's Steve getting the demo and giving impressions?"
"This week's Fear the Fro didn't show enough gameplay movies"
"I simmed a season and Shaq's scoring average is off by three points from what it is in real life"
"Create a player is horrible"

Create a player is the most useless feature in ANY videogame to me - I never use it. But there's always a group I'll read about that for them, it's all about that mode. And if it isn't what they want it to be, they yell. We place a LOT of demands on these guys (developers). And I would rather games came out later, rather than sooner. I said years back that EA started a dangerous precedence when it moved Madden from Sept. to August to get a jump on sales. It's just something these developers HAVE to do since they're in direct competition. If NBA Live were the only game available right now, most of us would have it. And if most of us were satisfied with that purchase, very few would even look to purchase ESPN. Even if it were bug free. Because then it would become an issue of, "It doesn't do THIS as well as Inside Drive (a game that's been CANCELLED, I might add)." Or "They should've done THAT with franchise".

They have the most feature-packed games that play without lag online (from what I hear, haven't tried yet) AND they're the only game with online leagues with living rosters.

For $20.

Yet people talk as if it's a waste of money because there's something they feel is obvious that should/shouldn't be in the game. I enjoy the game immensely, and there are many others that do also. And I do appreciate you guys that want the total sim experience, because you're fighting the good fight. But at some point, there has to be some area of forgiveness - not this never-ending pursuit of perfection.

[blueduke]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

For that same $20.00 we got NHL2K5.........with an option to set cpu trades to "off". The "they're alot smaller outfit than EA" doesn't wash in this instance.

EDIT: I just found out that if you turn salary cap "off" and trade overide "on" this fixes the problem. Re: my rant.................Nevermind

[blueduke]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

For that same $20.00 we got NHL2K5.........with an option to set cpu trades to "off". The "they're alot smaller outfit than EA" doesn't wash in this instance.

EDIT: I just found out that if you turn salary cap "off" and trade overide "on" this fixes the problem. Re: my rant.................Nevermind

[globalbeats7]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

this sucks...i was on my way out to get this game but after reading this issue i have decided on saving myself 20 bucks...I guess i will just stick to NFL 2k5 (even though it has dried me out somewhat) until college hoops comes out...the 2k series of games is such a great series, but little things like this have come about far too many times which really puts a damper on gameplay...VC, you really need to hire better testers...that is...if you have any currently...

[globalbeats7]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

this sucks...i was on my way out to get this game but after reading this issue i have decided on saving myself 20 bucks...I guess i will just stick to NFL 2k5 (even though it has dried me out somewhat) until college hoops comes out...the 2k series of games is such a great series, but little things like this have come about far too many times which really puts a damper on gameplay...VC, you really need to hire better testers...that is...if you have any currently...