CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

[Jas8099]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

I will try right now and get back to you.

But if it's not possbile in franchise mode VC needs to release a patch or recall the game. Or give us at least an option to replace our game. IMO.

If they have any business sense they will. Something like this will destroy their credebility for next year.

[totalownership]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Games are released early BECAUSE of the consumers. Fact is, when a game goes to an early (earlier) release date people get excited and almost always jump on the title - PERIOD. People were buzzing on these forums when EA announced Live's early release. The vast majority of game buyers want their games sooner rather than later. And the risk to the developer holding a game for trying to release a perfect as possible product is too great. Last year, VC held NFL2k4 for an extra month and people buried it as having NO chance sales-wise. The fact that it was a quality game was pretty much it's only saving grace - and it suffered in sales. But that game had bugs also - and they waited an additional MONTH. NBA2k5 was moved up an additional week - one week - and chances are, the early release was in the works anyway. All sports games will have glitches or something that's perceived by SOMEONE as a glitch; we need to be more tolerant of that fact.

I'm guessing very few, if any of us know how difficult bug testing is. I don't blame EA or it's testers for the quicksand glitch - how can you take every contingency into account? Same for the lefty glitch. I doubt the majority of people that buy the games even realize these glitches are present - unless they visit a forum. I probably wouldn't have noticed the TO glitch myself unless I read it here. I'm not trying to say that they shouldn't bare some of the blame. But I think calling them incompetent or worse is a bit of a stretch. I blame companies when there are gameplay issues that can be solved with a little work. Live was pretty much unplayable out of the box, but with a lot of slider work, Pared's sliders made the game enjoyable for many. Don't build in speed cheats or superhuman computer play to make up for gameplay deficiencies. Those are the things you can blame a developer for. As far as I can tell, those don't appear to be in NBA2k5.

For me, the game plays just as fantastic right now as it did when I left it for work this morning. I understand those people wanting an ultra-realistic experience may be disappointed. But these games are in competition. Until consumers start demanding that games release as flaw-free as possible, you have to accept that things like this will occur. The fact is, next year may even be worse in terms of early release dates. Most people just aren't willing to wait to get a game in their hands. If anything, it's us (collectively) that are doing the disservice to ourselves.

The most intelligent post I've read so far in this thread. Had to stop and comment on this one. You got one group of people saying, and I've seen it posted, "If ESPN doesn't come out before Live I'm getting Live!" If VC would have caught this bug and put out a statement saying "ESPN NBA 2K5 will be delayed 2 weeks because of further testing" These boards would have been filled with post saying how they're jumping to Live and sales would suffer, bad! The fact is at a 20 dollar price point it was crucial for them to release earlier or at the same time as Live. CRUCIAL! I understand that this TO situation is big, and such a small thing to miss. That's the whole point when you think about it. It's always the small stuff that bites you. When I was in college I've seen fellow students and myself included, create an outstanding program exceeding the requirements by the professor only to turn it in and misspell their own name

Also at 20 dollars I don't see how they can afford to re-release the game but they could at least patch it for xbox. I'm gonna wait on starting my franchise however until I hear something either way.

[totalownership]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Games are released early BECAUSE of the consumers. Fact is, when a game goes to an early (earlier) release date people get excited and almost always jump on the title - PERIOD. People were buzzing on these forums when EA announced Live's early release. The vast majority of game buyers want their games sooner rather than later. And the risk to the developer holding a game for trying to release a perfect as possible product is too great. Last year, VC held NFL2k4 for an extra month and people buried it as having NO chance sales-wise. The fact that it was a quality game was pretty much it's only saving grace - and it suffered in sales. But that game had bugs also - and they waited an additional MONTH. NBA2k5 was moved up an additional week - one week - and chances are, the early release was in the works anyway. All sports games will have glitches or something that's perceived by SOMEONE as a glitch; we need to be more tolerant of that fact.

I'm guessing very few, if any of us know how difficult bug testing is. I don't blame EA or it's testers for the quicksand glitch - how can you take every contingency into account? Same for the lefty glitch. I doubt the majority of people that buy the games even realize these glitches are present - unless they visit a forum. I probably wouldn't have noticed the TO glitch myself unless I read it here. I'm not trying to say that they shouldn't bare some of the blame. But I think calling them incompetent or worse is a bit of a stretch. I blame companies when there are gameplay issues that can be solved with a little work. Live was pretty much unplayable out of the box, but with a lot of slider work, Pared's sliders made the game enjoyable for many. Don't build in speed cheats or superhuman computer play to make up for gameplay deficiencies. Those are the things you can blame a developer for. As far as I can tell, those don't appear to be in NBA2k5.

For me, the game plays just as fantastic right now as it did when I left it for work this morning. I understand those people wanting an ultra-realistic experience may be disappointed. But these games are in competition. Until consumers start demanding that games release as flaw-free as possible, you have to accept that things like this will occur. The fact is, next year may even be worse in terms of early release dates. Most people just aren't willing to wait to get a game in their hands. If anything, it's us (collectively) that are doing the disservice to ourselves.

The most intelligent post I've read so far in this thread. Had to stop and comment on this one. You got one group of people saying, and I've seen it posted, "If ESPN doesn't come out before Live I'm getting Live!" If VC would have caught this bug and put out a statement saying "ESPN NBA 2K5 will be delayed 2 weeks because of further testing" These boards would have been filled with post saying how they're jumping to Live and sales would suffer, bad! The fact is at a 20 dollar price point it was crucial for them to release earlier or at the same time as Live. CRUCIAL! I understand that this TO situation is big, and such a small thing to miss. That's the whole point when you think about it. It's always the small stuff that bites you. When I was in college I've seen fellow students and myself included, create an outstanding program exceeding the requirements by the professor only to turn it in and misspell their own name

Also at 20 dollars I don't see how they can afford to re-release the game but they could at least patch it for xbox. I'm gonna wait on starting my franchise however until I hear something either way.

[Chewingthehardfacts]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Interesting thought, would be neat if someone tried this.

It's possible that the CPU settings change with the user's, so ideally someone can test this out.

If that works, then its not that big of a game killer.

I have a feeling though, I will be getting live this year.

[Chewingthehardfacts]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

Interesting thought, would be neat if someone tried this.

It's possible that the CPU settings change with the user's, so ideally someone can test this out.

If that works, then its not that big of a game killer.

I have a feeling though, I will be getting live this year.

[totalownership]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

If they have any business sense they will. Something like this will destroy their credebility for next year.

If they had any business sense they would patch but they WONT recall. Again, not at a 20 dollar price point. Let me explain something. The TO thing is something that hardcore simmers will notice and if there's a patch then hardcore simmers will try to find a way to get it even if they don't have xbox live. PS2 people I don't know what the patch situation if for that platform. Maybe they could put it in a magazine or something.

They made the right choice with the 20 price point and the release date. Even though the bug is there it's still the right choice. I guarantee the VAST majority of the people who purchased the game wont even notice the TO bug. Most people who buy are casual gamers and they won't notice it. Then you got those who play head-to-head with friends and don't even look at the franchise. So they won't notice it. Then you got those who do franchise but still wont notice it. The goal this year is to be in the game, and SEGA is now official "in the game". They are now legit comp to EA. Next year they'll have to do the same thing to try to get the jump or at least stay with EA. Maybe the year after that they can go back to putting more time into the game and come out a little later because people may indeed wait a few days for the Sega title to come out, even then I highly doubt it.

[totalownership]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

If they have any business sense they will. Something like this will destroy their credebility for next year.

If they had any business sense they would patch but they WONT recall. Again, not at a 20 dollar price point. Let me explain something. The TO thing is something that hardcore simmers will notice and if there's a patch then hardcore simmers will try to find a way to get it even if they don't have xbox live. PS2 people I don't know what the patch situation if for that platform. Maybe they could put it in a magazine or something.

They made the right choice with the 20 price point and the release date. Even though the bug is there it's still the right choice. I guarantee the VAST majority of the people who purchased the game wont even notice the TO bug. Most people who buy are casual gamers and they won't notice it. Then you got those who play head-to-head with friends and don't even look at the franchise. So they won't notice it. Then you got those who do franchise but still wont notice it. The goal this year is to be in the game, and SEGA is now official "in the game". They are now legit comp to EA. Next year they'll have to do the same thing to try to get the jump or at least stay with EA. Maybe the year after that they can go back to putting more time into the game and come out a little later because people may indeed wait a few days for the Sega title to come out, even then I highly doubt it.

[Jas8099]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

The goal this year is to be in the game, and SEGA is now official "in the game". They are now legit comp to EA. Next year they'll have to do the same thing to try to get the jump or at least stay with EA. Maybe the year after that they can go back to putting more time into the game and come out a little later because people may indeed wait a few days for the Sega title to come out, even then I highly doubt it.

Sega is definitely in the game. This year. I just think that in this instance it may backfire, as by delivering such a faulty product, it will turn off that many people who otherwise might not have tried the game, people who had they purchased a competent title would've become loyal fans of the franchise and come back year after year. Instead, those disappointed fans now won't give Sega a chance next year, improvement or not. You may be right, the majority of people may be such casual gamers that this doesn't matter to them, but I think this is more than a minor flaw, and one that will bother many gamers.

[Jas8099]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

The goal this year is to be in the game, and SEGA is now official "in the game". They are now legit comp to EA. Next year they'll have to do the same thing to try to get the jump or at least stay with EA. Maybe the year after that they can go back to putting more time into the game and come out a little later because people may indeed wait a few days for the Sega title to come out, even then I highly doubt it.

Sega is definitely in the game. This year. I just think that in this instance it may backfire, as by delivering such a faulty product, it will turn off that many people who otherwise might not have tried the game, people who had they purchased a competent title would've become loyal fans of the franchise and come back year after year. Instead, those disappointed fans now won't give Sega a chance next year, improvement or not. You may be right, the majority of people may be such casual gamers that this doesn't matter to them, but I think this is more than a minor flaw, and one that will bother many gamers.

[dmfreck]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

I'm not so sure their sales will suffer. The hardcore crowd like those who frequent OS and other boards are in the minority, so I'm not convinced that this game will be DOA as far as the general public is concerned. Only time will tell, however.

[dmfreck]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

I'm not so sure their sales will suffer. The hardcore crowd like those who frequent OS and other boards are in the minority, so I'm not convinced that this game will be DOA as far as the general public is concerned. Only time will tell, however.

[Dynasty4Kobe]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

I will try right now and get back to you.

But if it's not possbile in franchise mode VC needs to release a patch or recall the game. Or give us at least an option to replace our game. IMO.

Sooooo . . . any luck?

If not, I'm waiting 'till Christmas (I was going to get it this weekend). If it is not dealt with by then, then I'm just gonna get Live or College Hoops (if that's not ruined).

[Dynasty4Kobe]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

I will try right now and get back to you.

But if it's not possbile in franchise mode VC needs to release a patch or recall the game. Or give us at least an option to replace our game. IMO.

Sooooo . . . any luck?

If not, I'm waiting 'till Christmas (I was going to get it this weekend). If it is not dealt with by then, then I'm just gonna get Live or College Hoops (if that's not ruined).

[bball_1523]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

you know this game is really worth the 20 bucks if you think about it. lol It's not that bad of a game, huge improvement over 2k4, but bugs plague VC/sega. If it was 40 bucks, it would be a bigger problem for us. We gotta do something to get VC's attention, let's think of something to make them fix these mindless bugs.

[bball_1523]

Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

you know this game is really worth the 20 bucks if you think about it. lol It's not that bad of a game, huge improvement over 2k4, but bugs plague VC/sega. If it was 40 bucks, it would be a bigger problem for us. We gotta do something to get VC's attention, let's think of something to make them fix these mindless bugs.