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  • Rocky
    All Star
    • Jul 2002
    • 6896

    #316
    Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

    Just for the record...how many of games have this ruined for you?? I have played 5 very tight games so far against the CPU. The TO bug has hindered my experience in one of them(Carter didn't have enough time to get the ball off). For the most part, it hasn't bothered me and I made of point of noticing it. It's just one of those things that you hope it's a patch for, but it's not a gamekiller for me.
    "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
    -Rocky Balboa

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    • Rocky
      All Star
      • Jul 2002
      • 6896

      #317
      Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

      Just for the record...how many of games have this ruined for you?? I have played 5 very tight games so far against the CPU. The TO bug has hindered my experience in one of them(Carter didn't have enough time to get the ball off). For the most part, it hasn't bothered me and I made of point of noticing it. It's just one of those things that you hope it's a patch for, but it's not a gamekiller for me.
      "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
      -Rocky Balboa

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      • Jas8099
        Rookie
        • Mar 2003
        • 170

        #318
        Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

        Originally posted by stephenyoungchoi
        ***

        keep in mind also the VERY short limit of time these compaines (both EA and VC) have to complete these games. LESS THEN 1 YEAR. non-sports games sometimes take years and years to make. games like metal gear, final fantasy for example, take years to complete. and these are not sports games. these are games that basically follow a script.

        While non-sports games may take years and years to develop, they don't start from scratch with sports games. I highly doubt they scrapped last year's entire engine and rebuilt it. It required some tweaking, which is just not the case with non-sports games, which is why I think a franchise like this requires particular attention to detail, especially given that minor details are much more noticeable in sports games than others.

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        • Jas8099
          Rookie
          • Mar 2003
          • 170

          #319
          Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

          Originally posted by stephenyoungchoi
          ***

          keep in mind also the VERY short limit of time these compaines (both EA and VC) have to complete these games. LESS THEN 1 YEAR. non-sports games sometimes take years and years to make. games like metal gear, final fantasy for example, take years to complete. and these are not sports games. these are games that basically follow a script.

          While non-sports games may take years and years to develop, they don't start from scratch with sports games. I highly doubt they scrapped last year's entire engine and rebuilt it. It required some tweaking, which is just not the case with non-sports games, which is why I think a franchise like this requires particular attention to detail, especially given that minor details are much more noticeable in sports games than others.

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          • Jas8099
            Rookie
            • Mar 2003
            • 170

            #320
            Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

            I haven't had the chance to play enough yet to see just how destructive this bug is, but I'm not looking forward to it. I buy sports games to play franchises, usually for multiple seasons. I played at least 4 or 5 seasons in their entirety in 2k4, maybe more, and just as many in 2k3. While the lack of AI difficulty in those games was difficult to overlook, I can't imagine having the few close games I encountered being ruined by a lack of CPU timeouts. I've always been a VC / Sega fan when it came to basketball, but this might very well push me to EA.

            For those of you who say its excusable / somewhat excusable because of the $20 price tag, keep this in mind - the sole purpose of the $20 price tag was to capture some of EA's market in sports gaming. That doesn't work if they deliver a sub-par product, much less one wrought with game-killing bugs. I personally think b/c they went to that effort to lure in customers, they owed it to us to deliver a fantastic product, and moreso to themselves to take advantage of the opportunity. If these bugs are as destructive as they seem, you think 2k6 games are going to sell at all? I'm a PS2 owner so it doesn't seem like I could benefit from a patch even if they released one. If this bug is as big a problem as it seems, VC can be assured they've lost at least one customer next year. I don't pay to do their beta-testing.
            Last edited by Jas8099; 10-02-2004, 09:13 AM.

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            • Jas8099
              Rookie
              • Mar 2003
              • 170

              #321
              Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

              I haven't had the chance to play enough yet to see just how destructive this bug is, but I'm not looking forward to it. I buy sports games to play franchises, usually for multiple seasons. I played at least 4 or 5 seasons in their entirety in 2k4, maybe more, and just as many in 2k3. While the lack of AI difficulty in those games was difficult to overlook, I can't imagine having the few close games I encountered being ruined by a lack of CPU timeouts. I've always been a VC / Sega fan when it came to basketball, but this might very well push me to EA.

              For those of you who say its excusable / somewhat excusable because of the $20 price tag, keep this in mind - the sole purpose of the $20 price tag was to capture some of EA's market in sports gaming. That doesn't work if they deliver a sub-par product, much less one wrought with game-killing bugs. I personally think b/c they went to that effort to lure in customers, they owed it to us to deliver a fantastic product, and moreso to themselves to take advantage of the opportunity. If these bugs are as destructive as they seem, you think 2k6 games are going to sell at all? I'm a PS2 owner so it doesn't seem like I could benefit from a patch even if they released one. If this bug is as big a problem as it seems, VC can be assured they've lost at least one customer next year. I don't pay to do their beta-testing.

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              • klindoug
                Rookie
                • Sep 2003
                • 21

                #322
                Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                Has anyone tried setting their own TO's to Auto in franchise? Just a hunch...

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                • klindoug
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 21

                  #323
                  Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                  Has anyone tried setting their own TO's to Auto in franchise? Just a hunch...

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                  • Klocker
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 3239

                    #324
                    Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                    Originally posted by Rocky
                    Just for the record...how many of games have this ruined for you?? I have played 5 very tight games so far against the CPU. The TO bug has hindered my experience in one of them(Carter didn't have enough time to get the ball off). For the most part, it hasn't bothered me and I made of point of noticing it. It's just one of those things that you hope it's a patch for, but it's not a gamekiller for me.
                    has not ruined one game for me yet.

                    Not to say that it possibly might not, or that it doesn't hinder the realism ever so slightly, but all of my games have been...... FUN.

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                    • Klocker
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 3239

                      #325
                      Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                      Originally posted by Rocky
                      Just for the record...how many of games have this ruined for you?? I have played 5 very tight games so far against the CPU. The TO bug has hindered my experience in one of them(Carter didn't have enough time to get the ball off). For the most part, it hasn't bothered me and I made of point of noticing it. It's just one of those things that you hope it's a patch for, but it's not a gamekiller for me.
                      has not ruined one game for me yet.

                      Not to say that it possibly might not, or that it doesn't hinder the realism ever so slightly, but all of my games have been...... FUN.

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                      • Jimplication
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 3591

                        #326
                        Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                        Originally posted by klindoug
                        Has anyone tried setting their own TO's to Auto in franchise? Just a hunch...
                        Interesting thought, would be neat if someone tried this.

                        It's possible that the CPU settings change with the user's, so ideally someone can test this out.
                        Last edited by Jimplication; 10-02-2004, 09:44 AM.
                        Enjoy football? Enjoy Goal Line Blitz!

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                        • Jimplication
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 3591

                          #327
                          Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                          Originally posted by klindoug
                          Has anyone tried setting their own TO's to Auto in franchise? Just a hunch...
                          Interesting thought, would be neat if someone tried this.

                          It's possible that the CPU settings change with the user's, so ideally someone can test this out.
                          Enjoy football? Enjoy Goal Line Blitz!

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                          • Peter_OS
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 5088

                            #328
                            Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                            I will try right now and get back to you.

                            But if it's not possbile in franchise mode VC needs to release a patch or recall the game. Or give us at least an option to replace our game. IMO.

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                            • Peter_OS
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 5088

                              #329
                              Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                              I will try right now and get back to you.

                              But if it's not possbile in franchise mode VC needs to release a patch or recall the game. Or give us at least an option to replace our game. IMO.

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                              • Jas8099
                                Rookie
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 170

                                #330
                                Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                                Originally posted by Peter_OS
                                I will try right now and get back to you.

                                But if it's not possbile in franchise mode VC needs to release a patch or recall the game. Or give us at least an option to replace our game. IMO.
                                If they have any business sense they will. Something like this will destroy their credebility for next year.

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