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  • triplej96
    24fps
    • Aug 2002
    • 2152

    #271
    Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

    Originally posted by spankdatazz22
    Just curious: do you also find the quicksand glitch "inexcusable"? How about the lefty glitch? You were complaining a ton in the impressions thread about other issues you had with the game BEFORE this glitch became an issue. No disrespect, but this seems like something just to pile on. Just by nature, a game will NEVER be perfect. I was reading where someone hated the sim engine in the game because scores seemed too low - and it seems they were only off BY THREE POINTS. If people look hard enough they're going to find something they don't like.

    Guess my expectations just aren't as high as some. I it's amazing that VC/Take Two are able to produce high-quality sports titles when they're at a decided disadvantage. There are only two developers out there making sports games. TWO. How many people would've given their games a chance if they were priced the same as EA's games? They've put out three sports titles that I've enjoyed IMMENSELY (and I'm not even a hockey fan) - that's $60 for three quality games. And STILL they're talked down as if they're somehow trying to take advantage of consumers, as if they're products aren't even worth TWENTY DOLLARS. Gimme a break. It's one thing to be critical; it's another to be ridiculously unaccepting of anything short of perfection.

    I'm not saying that bugs should be ignored. But they should be taken into context. Many people are obviously enjoying the game (other than the ultra-hardcore, it seems). No one wants to see bugs, but have some appreciation for the overall product.
    I understand some of your points but all the bugs you mentionded lefty bug in ea mvp, but a time out bug in a basketball game is HUGE. This basicly takes of sim part out of this game for franchise mode. So I dont think neo or anyone is taking this bug out of context a time out is a huge part of basketball!
    -Josh

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    • Tha_Kid
      All Star
      • Oct 2002
      • 6550

      #272
      Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

      Originally posted by toneloc99
      I agree the game made huge strides, but any game tester could have easily found this bug. That makes it inexcusable in my book. IMO this just shows that ESPN development team did not hire beta testers to test the game. This bug directly effects the gameplay of the game. Nothing is more frustrating than seeing the computer down 2 with 2.5 seconds left in the 4th quarter inbound the ball from full court when they have 6 timeouts left. This is one of those bugs that should NEVER happen.
      Of course they did....check the credits.....no game goes without QA guys..

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      • Tha_Kid
        All Star
        • Oct 2002
        • 6550

        #273
        Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

        Originally posted by toneloc99
        I agree the game made huge strides, but any game tester could have easily found this bug. That makes it inexcusable in my book. IMO this just shows that ESPN development team did not hire beta testers to test the game. This bug directly effects the gameplay of the game. Nothing is more frustrating than seeing the computer down 2 with 2.5 seconds left in the 4th quarter inbound the ball from full court when they have 6 timeouts left. This is one of those bugs that should NEVER happen.
        Of course they did....check the credits.....no game goes without QA guys..

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        • Dregur
          Pro
          • Dec 2002
          • 529

          #274
          Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

          Originally posted by toneloc99
          I agree the game made huge strides, but any game tester could have easily found this bug. That makes it inexcusable in my book. IMO this just shows that ESPN development team did not hire beta testers to test the game. This bug directly effects the gameplay of the game. Nothing is more frustrating than seeing the computer down 2 with 2.5 seconds left in the 4th quarter inbound the ball from full court when they have 6 timeouts left. This is one of those bugs that should NEVER happen.
          Actually, they would only have three.

          Also, I strangely found they only had 2 near the end of the game...maybe because it was near the end of the game, they took one away?

          -The Grinman
          Hornets to Seattle? Hmmm....

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          • Dregur
            Pro
            • Dec 2002
            • 529

            #275
            Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

            Originally posted by toneloc99
            I agree the game made huge strides, but any game tester could have easily found this bug. That makes it inexcusable in my book. IMO this just shows that ESPN development team did not hire beta testers to test the game. This bug directly effects the gameplay of the game. Nothing is more frustrating than seeing the computer down 2 with 2.5 seconds left in the 4th quarter inbound the ball from full court when they have 6 timeouts left. This is one of those bugs that should NEVER happen.
            Actually, they would only have three.

            Also, I strangely found they only had 2 near the end of the game...maybe because it was near the end of the game, they took one away?

            -The Grinman
            Hornets to Seattle? Hmmm....

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            • bball_1523
              MVP
              • Aug 2003
              • 5344

              #276
              Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

              I think mainstream game companies should go downhill. When are "we the people" gonna stand up for our rights? It's like music, some bands just make crap records to make money. VC and EA = all about the profit baby. You can kiss your sim hopes goodbye for the rest of your life, until we stand up and make our game or something similar to us standing up for what we want, instead of simply complaining on a message board.

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              • bball_1523
                MVP
                • Aug 2003
                • 5344

                #277
                Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                I think mainstream game companies should go downhill. When are "we the people" gonna stand up for our rights? It's like music, some bands just make crap records to make money. VC and EA = all about the profit baby. You can kiss your sim hopes goodbye for the rest of your life, until we stand up and make our game or something similar to us standing up for what we want, instead of simply complaining on a message board.

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                • Walker8
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 980

                  #278
                  Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                  So what are you saying bball? You bring the gasoline and Ill bring the matches? I am joking. We dont need to give Neo ideas here.. I dont see what the big deal is. We are talking about timeouts here. Hopefully it will be fixed, but I dont think its that big a deal. Im loving this game. Street Ball alone makes this game worth it.

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                  • Walker8
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 980

                    #279
                    Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                    So what are you saying bball? You bring the gasoline and Ill bring the matches? I am joking. We dont need to give Neo ideas here.. I dont see what the big deal is. We are talking about timeouts here. Hopefully it will be fixed, but I dont think its that big a deal. Im loving this game. Street Ball alone makes this game worth it.

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                    • neovsmatrix
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 2878

                      #280
                      Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                      "Just curious: do you also find the quicksand glitch "inexcusable"? How about the lefty glitch? You were complaining a ton in the impressions thread about other issues you had with the game BEFORE this glitch became an issue. No disrespect, but this seems like something just to pile on. Just by nature, a game will NEVER be perfect. I was reading where someone hated the sim engine in the game because scores seemed too low - and it seems they were only off BY THREE POINTS. If people look hard enough they're going to find something they don't like."


                      I won't harp on the timeouts anymore, but I felt I should reply to this post. I feel I've gotten my point across to at least some posters anyway.

                      No, I don't find glitches such as the quicksand or lefty glitch inexcusable. I've already stated there are different types of glitches out there. Some are excusable others are not. You know what I think of the timeout glitch already.

                      And yes, I did have problems with the game initially. I still do, to be honest, but these are problems I had the hope of working through. I didn't rail against the game for these problems, I was just hoping to gain some perspective, share my INITIAL impressions, etc. I may have been disappointed in certain things, such as the lack of team-specific tendencies being set and having the user do it instead, but I was willing to work through them, find a fix for it and play the game. My hopes for playing through this game are dashed, because of that bug I do not speak of.


                      Whatever questions you have, just do a search through my posts, I'm sure you'll find an answer to most of your questions through that. I do not like the design decisions made in this game. I've been candid from the start re: this. I'm not pretending I am in love with this game. There are things I like, things that I don't like. But there's this one thing that's just really frustrating and we've already discussed it ad nauseum.

                      If I sound overly negative on this game from the start, it's because it's just my nature. I'm comparing this game to ID, and ESPN NBA Basketball. To me, the game lies in between the two, but not beyond both. Not a reliable indicator, unfortunately as last year they were the extremes in terms of quality of gameplay.

                      And that ends my discussion on this. I'll respect the wishes of the moderator and refrain from mentioning the timeout bug here and railing on ESPN for this.

                      I know I'm a buzzkill, by the way, and I do apologize for that. I know how annoying it is. I hate doing this, but I feel like I had to get the issue out in the open, and maybe have enough people aware about this bug so that they might request that ESPN could provide a patch before it's too late. That was my hope, but really, it's probably just pointless.

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                      • neovsmatrix
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 2878

                        #281
                        Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                        "Just curious: do you also find the quicksand glitch "inexcusable"? How about the lefty glitch? You were complaining a ton in the impressions thread about other issues you had with the game BEFORE this glitch became an issue. No disrespect, but this seems like something just to pile on. Just by nature, a game will NEVER be perfect. I was reading where someone hated the sim engine in the game because scores seemed too low - and it seems they were only off BY THREE POINTS. If people look hard enough they're going to find something they don't like."


                        I won't harp on the timeouts anymore, but I felt I should reply to this post. I feel I've gotten my point across to at least some posters anyway.

                        No, I don't find glitches such as the quicksand or lefty glitch inexcusable. I've already stated there are different types of glitches out there. Some are excusable others are not. You know what I think of the timeout glitch already.

                        And yes, I did have problems with the game initially. I still do, to be honest, but these are problems I had the hope of working through. I didn't rail against the game for these problems, I was just hoping to gain some perspective, share my INITIAL impressions, etc. I may have been disappointed in certain things, such as the lack of team-specific tendencies being set and having the user do it instead, but I was willing to work through them, find a fix for it and play the game. My hopes for playing through this game are dashed, because of that bug I do not speak of.


                        Whatever questions you have, just do a search through my posts, I'm sure you'll find an answer to most of your questions through that. I do not like the design decisions made in this game. I've been candid from the start re: this. I'm not pretending I am in love with this game. There are things I like, things that I don't like. But there's this one thing that's just really frustrating and we've already discussed it ad nauseum.

                        If I sound overly negative on this game from the start, it's because it's just my nature. I'm comparing this game to ID, and ESPN NBA Basketball. To me, the game lies in between the two, but not beyond both. Not a reliable indicator, unfortunately as last year they were the extremes in terms of quality of gameplay.

                        And that ends my discussion on this. I'll respect the wishes of the moderator and refrain from mentioning the timeout bug here and railing on ESPN for this.

                        I know I'm a buzzkill, by the way, and I do apologize for that. I know how annoying it is. I hate doing this, but I feel like I had to get the issue out in the open, and maybe have enough people aware about this bug so that they might request that ESPN could provide a patch before it's too late. That was my hope, but really, it's probably just pointless.

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                        • Walker8
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 980

                          #282
                          Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                          You make a lot of valid points Neo. I'm just busting you a bit. I think Ive been playing these games for so long now, I just kind of accepted some of this crap for what it is... The video game companies have broken me this way.. Keep doing what your doing. Keep on man. Keep on. But dont let it get to you too much. Then you just makes it worse for you than it has to be. These games are meant to be fun, and try to keep it as such. Even if there are extremely annoying flaws. This game is so close in a lot ways, but so far in others. Ive seen this before. Every year it seems. Well except last year. Both games were bad. This year these games are pretty damn good imo compared to last year. And have made strides in the right direction at least. I love a lot of aspects about this game and try to focus on the positives, although there are some simple things that I cant believe VC in particular overlooked.
                          Last edited by Walker8; 10-01-2004, 10:35 PM.

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                          • Walker8
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 980

                            #283
                            Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                            You make a lot of valid points Neo. I'm just busting you a bit. I think Ive been playing these games for so long now, I just kind of accepted some of this crap for what it is... The video game companies have broken me this way.. Keep doing what your doing. Keep on man. Keep on. But dont let it get to you too much. Then you just makes it worse for you than it has to be. These games are meant to be fun, and try to keep it as such. Even if there are extremely annoying flaws. This game is so close in a lot ways, but so far in others. Ive seen this before. Every year it seems. Well except last year. Both games were bad. This year these games are pretty damn good imo compared to last year. And have made strides in the right direction at least. I love a lot of aspects about this game and try to focus on the positives, although there are some simple things that I cant believe VC in particular overlooked.

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                            • Klocker
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 3239

                              #284
                              Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                              Originally posted by neovsmatrix
                              "......I know I'm a buzzkill, by the way, and I do apologize for that. I know how annoying it is. I hate doing this, but I feel like I had to get the issue out in the open, and maybe have enough people aware about this bug so that they might request that ESPN could provide a patch before it's too late. That was my hope, but really, it's probably just pointless.
                              You're a stand-up guy Neo.

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                              • Klocker
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 3239

                                #285
                                Re: CPU Timeout problem, reason inside

                                Originally posted by neovsmatrix
                                "......I know I'm a buzzkill, by the way, and I do apologize for that. I know how annoying it is. I hate doing this, but I feel like I had to get the issue out in the open, and maybe have enough people aware about this bug so that they might request that ESPN could provide a patch before it's too late. That was my hope, but really, it's probably just pointless.
                                You're a stand-up guy Neo.

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