OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

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  • CAMeagle
    Pro
    • Jan 2015
    • 972

    #151
    Re: OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

    Originally posted by Flipvan
    I can't wait. Have my bitch card ready to draw. Hehe


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    • penaguilherme
      Rookie
      • Nov 2014
      • 106

      #152
      Re: OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

      Originally posted by CAMeagle
      Well, thanks everyone for stealing all of my ideas! Joking aside, this worked out great as everything was hashed out by all of you guys whom had different degrees of benefit/hindrance directly and indirectly from the free packening. As always, CD has a huge decision on figuring what is fair and best for the game, developer and user community -- with the added degree of difficulty based on CD's technological capabilities backed by their current (and hired temporary) labor force and deadline of probably Wednesday evening to allow time for server update before Thursday morning event.

      Here's a quick summary of everything -- skim through the posts in this thread and main thread (from Saturday morning PST) to see more detailed takes:

      Degrees of Action (below are incomplete descriptions of what is possible)
      • Do Nothing: Game on with CD hoping that new All-Star based squads offset credit spending from loss of some users.
      • User-based initiative: Users get rid of AS cards obtained from packening and report to CD for refunds of any resources (RP, credits, WC, etc.) lost in proing cards.
      • Developer-based initiative: CD takes it on themselves to delete AS cards and possibly banning users who used/abused packening.
      • Complete Reset Wipeout: Flashback to before packening hour with giving RC rewards according to leaderboard.


      Main Items of Concern: (probably incomplete as well)
      • Seasons started before/during/after packening and corresponding rewards
      • QG/RC Board Resets and WC from board during/after packening
      • AH buys and sells -- and corresponding roster construction after packening (users selling auctionable cards from seasons/RttC lineups)
      • RP/Credit Packs bought during/after packening (includes WC and cards won)


      Personally (as someone who got the thrill of opening enough packs to pro 7 Star-tier All-Stars without using WCs or star contracts that don't make the main lineups yet) I'm cool with whatever happens. If banned, I have alternate account to continue playing casually, seeing progress of game, and contributing to the board. I understood what was going on and take responsibility for my actions... knowing full-well that I may have broken the game for myself (filling out 25-man squad with event and unauctionable Stars and waiting 4-5 months for Playoff tier) and others (mainly seasons and AH).

      As in real life, there is no right answer where everyone is completely happy.. there's only "degrees" of happiness based on compromise and fairness. This could be a preview of sorts of what's going to happen in the NBA with impending cap space boom and possibilities of lockouts and super-teams.
      CAM. Ban people? That is not an option. They didn't do anything wrong. The pack was there offered by the developers for an hour. That was not a glitch. It was a mistake.

      So banning people that did that is the worst solution they could ever come up.

      P.S.: I am not defending myself. I am the one who didn't saw the sale.

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      • CedricFP
        MVP
        • Nov 2008
        • 1864

        #153
        Re: OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

        I think Cam was just summarising all of the options people have suggested in this thread, even if some are in poor taste.

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        • Flipvan
          MVP
          • Mar 2014
          • 1522

          #154
          OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

          Breaking News: "The Decision 2" - Tune in live Today at 10am PST....... What will they do? Cue dramatic music, Bum Bum Bum!


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          • marciukas
            Rookie
            • Mar 2015
            • 99

            #155
            Re: OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

            Originally posted by Flipvan
            Breaking News: "The Decision 2" - Tune in live Today at 10am PST....... What will they do? Cue dramatic music, Bum Bum Bum!


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            Where from do you have this information?

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            • Flipvan
              MVP
              • Mar 2014
              • 1522

              #156
              Re: OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

              Originally posted by marciukas
              Where from do you have this information?

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              I was just joking. Playing off lebrons infamous "the decision" when he went to Miami.


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              • marciukas
                Rookie
                • Mar 2015
                • 99

                #157
                Re: OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

                Originally posted by Flipvan
                I was just joking. Playing off lebrons infamous "the decision" when he went to Miami.


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                • GTPROSPECTR
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 463

                  #158
                  OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

                  I'm interested to know if anyone in New Zealand or Australia benefited from the flash sale. I know it was 3am when the packening happened where I was DOWN UNDER.
                  Last edited by GTPROSPECTR; 02-16-2016, 06:57 AM.

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                  • CedricFP
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 1864

                    #159
                    Re: OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

                    Originally posted by GTPROSPECTR
                    I'm interested to know if anyone in New Zealand or Australia benefited from the flash sale. I know it was 3am where I was DOWN UNDER.
                    Nope. I'm GMT+8 (Perth) and was fast asleep.

                    And few in SE Asia did. Only nightowls, I guess.

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                    • anditbeg1ns
                      Pro
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 591

                      #160
                      Re: OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

                      I guess I will drop my last two cents before the decision 2.0 lol

                      The more I think about it, the more I feel that while a reset might be the most logical approach, it is also the least likely outcome. All the suggestions of rollbacks are simply treating this as a game, a free game, not a business that profits from a game. In any business, say a grocery store, if you somehow bought a carton of eggs for free because of a mistake of the listing price, the store has no authority to ask you to return the eggs, take the eggs from you, or break your eggs so you cannot reap the benefits from their mistake. Same with iTunes, if you bought an app for free because of an erroneous listing price for an app, Apple cannot go and delete the App from your phone. Same principle here. In the extreme scenario that CD gets taken to court, their argument that the packs were listed at the wrong price will not hold up, because they'd still have to honor their product at that price. Now if this was a glitch with the system i.e. they listed the packs for 50% off but ended up charging 0 credits for them, the situation would be completely different. But an error with the listing price isn't a glitch in the system, it's a human error.

                      Also, to further suggest that a rollback isn't likely, if CD does indeed have the capability for a rollback and they plan to do one, they'd have announced it over twitter to calm and advise the community, and take the server down to avoid further progress after the incident. But the fact that they haven't said or done anything suggests that they either don't have the capability or they know they could not rollback the game just because of a human error.

                      I think the most likely and best win-win outcome is making the AS cards draftable, and introduce a new sub-tier within Star (somewhere between TBT/Rookie and RS). That way, they'd likely draw some players back to the game with some fresh cards.

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                      • soulnet
                        Just started!
                        • Feb 2016
                        • 2

                        #161
                        Re: OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

                        I'd be amazed if they can't to a roll back. A roll back is simply restoring a backup. So their servers have no backups?

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                        • Flipvan
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2014
                          • 1522

                          #162
                          Re: OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

                          Originally posted by soulnet
                          I'd be amazed if they can't to a roll back. A roll back is simply restoring a backup. So their servers have no backups?

                          It's not that they can't. It's about how much people will lose over the past 3 days of playing.


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                          • anditbeg1ns
                            Pro
                            • Nov 2015
                            • 591

                            #163
                            Re: OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

                            Originally posted by Flipvan
                            It's not that they can't. It's about how much people will lose over the past 3 days of playing.


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                            I think the bigger issue is they legally could not not honor a purchase.


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                            • Flipvan
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2014
                              • 1522

                              #164
                              OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

                              Originally posted by anditbeg1ns
                              I think the bigger issue is they legally could not not honor a purchase.


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                              You mean anyone who "purchased" a pack while it was 100% off? If so, good point, I never thought about it like that.


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                              • DJT
                                Rookie
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 337

                                #165
                                Re: OS Concerns: All-Star 2016 Pack Glitch

                                1. They won't ban people. Just stop it.


                                2. CD can just delete the All star cards off of peoples teams and keep everything else they got.


                                3. Its not a "purchase" if no credits were spent.

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