2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread
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Hahahah. You guys.
I know what OSU means with Irving though, despite the Nash/Deron ill-advised comparisons [no offense OSU].
I like both Kemba and Irving more than Knight. Kemba is obviously a different type of PG than Irving. There's no disputing that. Even though I disagree with OSU's assessment of Kemba, OSU simply doesn't want that type of PG.
I do think Kemba can run the PG just fine. At least as a backup to begin with. Look at the abundance of similar sized and similar playing style PG's like him in the NBA who thrive.
Now with Irving, he has a ton to prove obviously. A lot of people, including OSU are basically using a handful of games to make their judgements. I like his feel for the game and his supposed scoring ability. I could honestly see all three of these PG's not ever being All-Stars thoughComment
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I want nothing of Knight at all man. All Raptor fans are going gaga over him though.
Kemba reminds me of Kenny Anderson a bit.Comment
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And while Kemba can certainly use the quicks, his court vision isn't even close to Chris Paul. He's also only averaged 4 assists a game, which shows that either he's a bad passer, didn't see the lanes or is selfish. Chris Paul also was much more efficent from the floor in college, with a 49.6% average and a 46% FG average. Kemba, the two years he played meaningful minutes: 40.2% and 42.8%
Now, I'm not saying Kemba will be a flat out bust, nor am I trying to prove that. However, Kemba is not worthy of passing on Kyrie Irving. Irving is a better player, and showed how much of a better player he was when he played this year. He was more efficient than Kemba while seeing the court about the same, although we are comparing a freshman who played 11 games to a Junior who played 111 games.
Simply put, passing on Kyrie Irving for Kemba Walker, or saying they will be about the same, would be foolishness. Kemba will not be an all-star in the NBA, he probably won't even be a starter in the NBA with his size and lack of passing ability.Too Old To Game Club
Urban Meyer is lol.Comment
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Too Old To Game Club
Urban Meyer is lol.Comment
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Chris Paul is effective because the guy has the best court vision of anyone in the NBA. It's not because he's a great scorer or because he can run fast. Chris Paul can make quick movements and see the floor better than anyone.
And while Kemba can certainly use the quicks, his court vision isn't even close to Chris Paul. He's also only averaged 4 assists a game, which shows that either he's a bad passer, didn't see the lanes or is selfish. Chris Paul also was much more efficent from the floor in college, with a 49.6% average and a 46% FG average. Kemba, the two years he played meaningful minutes: 40.2% and 42.8%
Now, I'm not saying Kemba will be a flat out bust, nor am I trying to prove that. However, Kemba is not worthy of passing on Kyrie Irving. Irving is a better player, and showed how much of a better player he was when he played this year. He was more efficient than Kemba while seeing the court about the same, although we are comparing a freshman who played 11 games to a Junior who played 111 games.
Simply put, passing on Kyrie Irving for Kemba Walker, or saying they will be about the same, would be foolishness. Kemba will not be an all-star in the NBA, he probably won't even be a starter in the NBA with his size and lack of passing ability.
Can't believe a comparison to Chris Paul was even mentioned in the first place.Comment
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Skill wise and approach wise, it's hard to really judge that closely because Irving only played in 10 or so games. From HS and the limited college time, I honestly don't see how Irving plays that closely to D-Will.
I honestly am reminded of a more pure PG and larger Ty Lawson. I honestly do like the CP3 comparison, but I don't know if he'll ever come close to CP3's impact. To me they play a very similar style of ball though.Comment
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I feel a low assists total in college really doesn't mean a guy can't be a high assist guy in the NBA. Rondo had low assist numbers, so did Russell Westbrooke I believe.
JG: See I don't really know where this Kemba Walker is a combo guard thing started. I was looking at the analysis Dean Oliver did on ESPN a couple days ago where he was comparing Kemba and Brandon Knight.
Dean Oliver is the godfather of course of NBA Advanced Statistics, he could have a job right now with any team in the NBA. So when he writes something like this, more-so than any other analyst in this NBA draft, that's the guy I'm going to pay attention to, and when he said that the average PPR (pure point rating) of a starting point guard in the NBA is 1.2 in college and Kemba Walker's PPR is 1.5, that stands out. And his assist to turnover ratio is 2.0.
At the beginning of this year people were looking at UCONN saying “Jim Calhoun did a terrible job because they don't have any talent, they're not going to make the NCAA tournament, this guy is over the hill, time for him to retire” stuff like that. And what do they do? Not only do they get to the tournament, but they win the whole thing.
And the only reason they were able to do that, without a shred of a doubt, was because of Kemba Walker on their team. I know, he was a scorer this year but he needed to be a scorer. He did put up big scoring numbers, not always in the most efficient way, but that was because of the team that he had. He had a bunch of freshmen beside him and from seeing him when they were out in Maui at the start of the year, he had to do everything.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...#ixzz1PviNshMS
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Just sayin man...just sayin...Too Old To Game Club
Urban Meyer is lol.Comment
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Not saying Irving won't bulk up, but Irving measured out at 191 and DWill is listed at 207, but to be honest, I think they're fudging on that listing. He's huge for a PG.
Besides body shape and size, the way Irving plays doesn't quite remind me of DWill. Irving is so damn creative once he gets to the hoop it seriously reminds me of the cleverness of Lawson and Paul. The way he gets to the hoop as well with the quick busts in small spaces are very reminiscent of Lawson and Paul. Williams has that burst too but honestly doesn't strike me the same way Lawson/Paul comparisons do. Just the way they finish around the hoop and the way they operate and break down the defense.Comment
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Chris Paul is effective because the guy has the best court vision of anyone in the NBA. It's not because he's a great scorer or because he can run fast. Chris Paul can make quick movements and see the floor better than anyone.
And while Kemba can certainly use the quicks, his court vision isn't even close to Chris Paul. He's also only averaged 4 assists a game, which shows that either he's a bad passer, didn't see the lanes or is selfish. Chris Paul also was much more efficent from the floor in college, with a 49.6% average and a 46% FG average. Kemba, the two years he played meaningful minutes: 40.2% and 42.8%
Now, I'm not saying Kemba will be a flat out bust, nor am I trying to prove that. However, Kemba is not worthy of passing on Kyrie Irving. Irving is a better player, and showed how much of a better player he was when he played this year. He was more efficient than Kemba while seeing the court about the same, although we are comparing a freshman who played 11 games to a Junior who played 111 games.
Simply put, passing on Kyrie Irving for Kemba Walker, or saying they will be about the same, would be foolishness. Kemba will not be an all-star in the NBA, he probably won't even be a starter in the NBA with his size and lack of passing ability.
I realize you're all psyched up to have the #1 pick and Kyrie on the Cavs, but it sounds like you're just throwing stuff out there just to say it.
And if Kyrie is so hot, why didn't he go up against any of the PGs that called him out or workout in front of anyone FWIW?
Even Jay Williams would caution you to slow down right about now..Comment
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Rondo didn't play near the minutes Walker did and still was only .3 PG less. Russell only played one year of real minutes and was a scorer. Collison was the PG on that team.
Has anyone ever said that Westbrook was a passing PG anyway? He's always been looked at as a 2 playing the 1.
I'm with OSU_Fan all the way here on his assessment of Walker. He's a SG in a PG body and proved so at UCONN by jacking up the 2nd most field goal attempts in the country, only to Jimmer. That's not indicative of a play making PG.
What he did as a back up PG in High School is meaningless. The things he did in college, he's not going to be able to do consistently in the pros. His speed and change of pace will allow him to get some buckets, but he doesn't have the court vision and passing ability to make players in the NBA honor that.Comment
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Cause the pure point rating by Dean Oliver, while not perfect has proven to be quite effective in judging how a PG translate from College to the NBA.Comment
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No clue if it's been mentioned, but I just saw a tweet from Adrian Wojnarowski that the Cavs are trying to get a 3rd pick in the 1st round by using our two second round picks and some cash.
Also, I have this gut feeling that Kemba will be the best point guard to come out of this draft. Don't ask me why because I don't know why, it's just a gut feeling. I think when we look back on this draft in 5 years the PG ranking will go:
Walker
Irving
KnightBrowns
Cavaliers
Indians
BuckeyesOriginally posted by sneppKen Dilger, weapon.
Someone needs to set this thread on fire.Comment
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