2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

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If he is smart and willing to listen to people(and from what I heard he probably won't)he'll stay another year because dude is simply not yet ready.

I'm pretty sure he's watched his own game tape with Coaches and other people so there's no need for him enter the Draft without signing with an agent just to have some else repeat the same things to him about his game.

Now, if he's following the same route as Vasquez then that's cool because that definitely helped Greivis out when he came back and improved his draft stock but otherwise, he's(Jordan)is making a mistake.

[wwharton]

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If he is smart and willing to listen to people(and from what I heard he probably won't)he'll stay another year because dude is simply not yet ready.

I'm pretty sure he's watched his own game tape with Coaches and other people so there's no need for him enter the Draft without signing with an agent just to have some else repeat the same things to him about his game.

Now, if he's following the same route as Vasquez then that's cool because that definitely helped Greivis out when he came back and improved his draft stock but otherwise, he's(Jordan)is making a mistake.

That's what I think too, but it sounds like he's skipping classes and doing the usual crap when a kid is ready to leave early. I REALLY hope he's just doing what Greivis did, but that's not what it's sounding like.

[ehh]

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Wow, that'll be something if Jordan Williams stays in the draft.

[jeebs9]

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There is a list of guys that should stay in school Jordan is one of them.

[KG]

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People here do know that Kemba Walker is only 6 feet? Right?

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What does that matter?

He has elite speed and worked on every flaw in his game. He still has areas he needs to improve on but look at how much his game has progressed from his JR-SR year. He now has a good enough jumper to keep defenders honest. He changes speed now better than anyone in college since CP3. He can also play off the ball now.

His trangression this year has been amazing and would be the POY if it weren't for Jimmer. He carried that UCONN team early out in Maui putting up crazy#'s while his teammates got more comfortable. His #'s dipped (mainly shooting %) while he tried to carry his team in the BE. Once his teammates (a not ultra-talented and very young UCONN team compared to years past) matured, mainly Lamb & Napier, they have put together a great run through the BET and now into the NCAAs.

I would compare him to a better TJ Ford. He has that kind of speed but his jumper is better and he's a better scorer. Also MUCH tougher mentally.

[jeebs9]

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^^ low Nate Robinson/Aaron Brooks/Iverson high ^^ Only sightly taller. It would be shocking to see him go in the top 10. He is not much of a passer. He is not CP3. Don't get that twisted because he dished out a few assist vs Hampton in the first round (I think 12). This guy is a scorer. Not much defensively. I've seen severally scouts list him as number 1 backup to come off the bench for a change of pace or spark off the bench. If he had lead the big east in steals I could understand your comparison to CP3.

He'll get picked in the first round. But he won't go high.

edit: On another note... T.J. played defense. And was literally a speed demon. Kemba Walker is not. He is a pure scorer in the form of a smaller Ben Gordon at PG.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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How would it be a shocker if he went Top 10? It ain't like there are many players coming out that are THAT much better than him right now.

Before the season started, I would've been shocked if he went Top 15 to be honest, but now? I'd be shocked if he's not selected in the Top 12-15.

[jeebs9]

Maybe on that point ....maybe top 15.

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[BlueNGold]

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^^ low Nate Robinson/Aaron Brooks/Iverson high ^^ Only sightly taller. It would be shocking to see him go in the top 10. He is not much of a passer. He is not CP3. Don't get that twisted because he dished out a few assist vs Hampton in the first round (I think 12). This guy is a scorer. Not much defensively. I've seen severally scouts list him as number 1 backup to come off the bench for a change of pace or spark off the bench. If he had lead the big east in steals I could understand your comparison to CP3.

He'll get picked in the first round. But he won't go high.

edit: On another note... T.J. played defense. And was literally a speed demon. Kemba Walker is not. He is a pure scorer in the form of a smaller Ben Gordon at PG.

What? I'd be shocked if he DIDN'T go in the top 10. Yes he might be small and yes he might not be a "pure" PG, but that doesn't change the fact that he was one of the best college players this year, not to mention he's already shown he's ready and willing to improve his game.

I remember when he was coming off the bench for UConn on that team with AJ Price, Stanley Robinson, Hasheem Thabeet, etc. and I thought he would be a good player, but I didn't think he would ever turn out to be at the level he's playing now where he's been one of the most dominant players in the NCAA.

[KG]

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^^ low Nate Robinson/Aaron Brooks/Iverson high ^^ Only sightly taller. It would be shocking to see him go in the top 10. He is not much of a passer. He is not CP3. Don't get that twisted because he dished out a few assist vs Hampton in the first round (I think 12). This guy is a scorer. Not much defensively. I've seen severally scouts list him as number 1 backup to come off the bench for a change of pace or spark off the bench. If he had lead the big east in steals I could understand your comparison to CP3.

He'll get picked in the first round. But he won't go high.

edit: On another note... T.J. played defense. And was literally a speed demon. Kemba Walker is not. He is a pure scorer in the form of a smaller Ben Gordon at PG.

Kemba is far from a pure scorer. He embraced that role because he had to this year at UCONN. He wasn't even a big time scorer in High School. His assist #'s are low because the talent around him as a FR/Soph and his role as a JR.

Never compared his game overall to CP3's, just said he changes speed in college like a CP3.

He averaged 2steals a game per over the last 2yrs. Might not be tops in the BE but that's still pretty good. He was a better harasser on D when he didn't have the carry the scoring load. He's taken that Jimmer philosophy towards D this year because he has to score for UCONN to win.

Kemba is nothing like Ben Gordon. Gordon is a scorer, mostly by the way of the midrange jumper. Kemba has worked on his midrange but he's not the shooter BG was. You gotta remember BG was getting buckets on some stacked UCONN teams. Kemba wouldn't score as much if he didn't have to.

If you don't think he's a speed merchant than I don't know what to say.


These posts are going against all I stand for as Gtown fan too, lol. I still hate UCONN since Ray Allen's floater.

Where you at ehh?????

[ehh]

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^^ low Nate Robinson/Aaron Brooks/Iverson high ^^ Only sightly taller. It would be shocking to see him go in the top 10. He is not much of a passer. He is not CP3. Don't get that twisted because he dished out a few assist vs Hampton in the first round (I think 12). This guy is a scorer. Not much defensively. I've seen severally scouts list him as number 1 backup to come off the bench for a change of pace or spark off the bench. If he had lead the big east in steals I could understand your comparison to CP3.

He'll get picked in the first round. But he won't go high.

edit: On another note... T.J. played defense. And was literally a speed demon. Kemba Walker is not. He is a pure scorer in the form of a smaller Ben Gordon at PG.

I agree with KG, the Gordon/Kemba comparison is pretty poor. While I knew Gordon had sneaky athleticism at UConn and was going to surprise some people in the NBA he is not as fast as Walker is. A better finisher at the rim and in traffic and more explosive but not as quick or fast as Kemba. While Gentle Ben handled the ball some at UConn he was primarily and naturally a 2. Walker is the exact opposite, the only reason Calhoun moves him off-ball is to get him easier looks and run him off screens so the other team can't have five guys guarding him.

How does Walker not play D and not a speed demon? I don't even know how to answer that. He may not have led the BE but he did avg two steals a game and I don't remember a single game where his man went off. Him and Napier put the dog on UK's backcourt in Maui.

Walker scores because he has to, what is he going to do - let Oriakhi and Roscoe Smith take 15 shots a game? He'll adjust fine to the NBA game. Don't forget he played on a FF team as a freshman and then behind Dyson/Robinson last year and was largely a facilitator. I'm not trying to see he has shown amazing court vision or is a pure PG right now but I see how reason why he can't develop into that at the next level.

So many people forget what Chris Paul's game was like at Wake. No one thought he was going to be as good as he is. He wasn't an amazing passer in college. People had questions about Rose coming out and his ability to pass/make people better because of Calipari's DDM and I think he turned out okay.

When you have talent, a great work ethic and a good IQ you'll be fine. Walker has all three of those. If Ty Lawson can now be a starting PG on a playoff team I see now reason why Walker can't/won't be able to do the same.

[iLLosophy]

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hey guys - your opinion: are barnes, williams, irving all worth all the 1st pick hype? Haven't really followed college this year before march, and last time i was paying attention Perry Jones was the #1 pick. I know they all had great tournament performances, but does any of them stick out way more than any of the other ones? (I'm a fantasy GM with a #1 rookie pick, so I just want to hear other's opinion)

[jeebs9]

Ty Lawson went at number 18. Nate robinson went at 21.

If Kemba goes in the top ten. It shows not much talent as someone said before lol

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Talent at the position or talent in the Draft PERIOD?

You're making it sound like if he goes Top 10, it will be a complete travesty or a reach.

[Beantownbomber718]

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I want anybody to name me a player that played in college that you knew was going to be a Star in the NBA? But most of y'all can't. because talent is unpredictable,but I knew D-Wade at Marquette & CP3 when he played at Wake Forest were gonna be something cause they had leadership,quickness,& unstoppable Getting to the bucket. Now I watch Kemba Walker I see Leadership,Quickness,& Great dribble driving ability. So how can anybody say he's not talented? I hate to clue people but Ben Gordon at Uconn was'nt that good & if i recall UConn was'nt that unstoppable the past decade,they only won a national title in 2004 when Emeka Okafor led them there & before that i think 1999,& they've always been a defensive shot blocking team the last 10 years,now they're Game is Good offense,Bigs down low but they're a Greater Perimeter Defensive team now & that's because Walker,Shabazz Napier,& the 7 ft. wing span of Jeremy Lamb. I Guarantee Kemba Walker will be a Star at the next level,i've named his strengths but people underestimate his jump shot which he can hit at will,plus he has so many game winners & Game changers plus when i watch his jumpshot he's got a perfect form & Release which most NBA players don't have.