2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

[Beantownbomber718]

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

hey guys - your opinion: are barnes, williams, irving all worth all the 1st pick hype? Haven't really followed college this year before march, and last time i was paying attention Perry Jones was the #1 pick. I know they all had great tournament performances, but does any of them stick out way more than any of the other ones? (I'm a fantasy GM with a #1 rookie pick, so I just want to hear other's opinion)

Perry Jones of Baylor will be solid at the next level but it will take a few years. His jumpshot is good for a guy his height but he can be inconsistent,but for his height which is i think 6"11', he can ball. He's got the all around tools to become a star & reminds me of a 6"11' younger version of Tracy McGrady. Jimmer Fredette will be another JJ Reddick no question. Kemba Walker in my eyes has star written all over him,especially since i watch him play all the time i see his strengths stick out.Kemba's weaknesses are minor & his strengths are major so i think he has the ability to succeed at next level. I think a rookie that will have the most impact immediately could be at the 4 or 5. Power Forwards & Centers have the best opportunities to score under the basket,Rebound,& block shots as to where a rookie 1 or 2 Guard have to improve on NBA range 3's,Manipulating a Defense,making good decisions & passes,& keeping turnovers to a minimum.

[jeebs9]

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

I'm not too high on Perry Jones. He seems like a project. He doesn't have that "I want to play mentally". I think he is more like a Anthony Randolph right now. I mean look at his high school and college stats. There is not one thing that stands out.


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http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/jonesiii_perry00.html

Does that look like a guy who wants to score like TMac/Kevin Durant? I don't think so. Look at his high school stats. They are even worst. I think he averaged a double-double. But you would expect a guy like that to score more than 21 a game his senior season. Especially if he is the leader of his team. If anyone can find his high school stats. It would be nice. You might even laugh when you see them.

edit:2
Check this part of a scouting report (This was in Weakness)
"A big question mark is his demanor and approach to the game, too many times he is satisfied by just coasting and taking the easy route … The lack of strength and unwillingness to play to contact further add to his somewhat soft label … His lanky frame and high center of gravity allow much smaller players to body and push him off balance and he does not show the willingness to battle back …"

That is a scary thought in my opinion. I would aways want a player who is give his all out effort. Instead of a player coasting.

edit: I still don't think Kemba Walker is top 10 pick by the way...

[wwharton]

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

I want anybody to name me a player that played in college that you knew was going to be a Star in the NBA? But most of y'all can't. because talent is unpredictable,but I knew D-Wade at Marquette & CP3 when he played at Wake Forest were gonna be something cause they had leadership,quickness,& unstoppable Getting to the bucket. Now I watch Kemba Walker I see Leadership,Quickness,& Great dribble driving ability. So how can anybody say he's not talented? I hate to clue people but Ben Gordon at Uconn was'nt that good & if i recall UConn was'nt that unstoppable the past decade,they only won a national title in 2004 when Emeka Okafor led them there & before that i think 1999,& they've always been a defensive shot blocking team the last 10 years,now they're Game is Good offense,Bigs down low but they're a Greater Perimeter Defensive team now & that's because Walker,Shabazz Napier,& the 7 ft. wing span of Jeremy Lamb. I Guarantee Kemba Walker will be a Star at the next level,i've named his strengths but people underestimate his jump shot which he can hit at will,plus he has so many game winners & Game changers plus when i watch his jumpshot he's got a perfect form & Release which most NBA players don't have.

I can name quite a few actually... and wondering why you think most couldn't when you were going to name two here, lol.

Anyway, some good points but I don't know where you were going with the comparison of older UConn teams. THIS YEAR UConn finished 9th in the conference, would've got a lower seed if they didn't turn it on during the Big East tournament, and their run is almost as impressive as Butler's when you look at the entire season. I don't think using this year's team "success" as an example of how Walker is better than Gordon was.

[DustinT]

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Ty Lawson went at number 18. Nate robinson went at 21.

If Kemba goes in the top ten. It shows not much talent as someone said before lol

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How does it show a lack of talent? Lawson and Robinson were not consider much as scorers when they came out. Lawson was a team leader, not a scorer. Robinson was a streaky scorer who could ignite your bench. Kemba is his team's leader, fast as hell, plays defense and can score with the best of them.

I get that everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but you keep backing up your points with facts about height or nothing at all.

Now I watch Kemba Walker I see Leadership,Quickness,& Great dribble driving ability. So how can anybody say he's not talented? I hate to clue people but Ben Gordon at Uconn was'nt that good & if i recall UConn was'nt that unstoppable the past decade,they only won a national title in 2004 when Emeka Okafor led them there

Gordon is overrated, but to say he was nothing on the national championship team is way off. Okafor was the star, but Gordon was his Pippen. Pippen was an all-star too.

[jeebs9]

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It doesn't show a lack of talent at all. I'm just sticking with my gut feeling on this one. Obviously the numbers don't prove anything. But when I look at the current point guards in the league. CP3 is the only guy on the short side. Everyone else is a 6-2 and up. Kemba is a great scorer. But he doesn't seem like he can play pure point guard (right now).

But my "gut feeling" has been wrong about a few players. So I'm always ready for the backlash lol.

[ex carrabba fan]

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What caliber of PG do you guys see Kemba turning out to be?

Personally I would take him in the top 10, but that doesn't mean I necessarily think he's gonna be special or an All-Star or a permanent starter for his career.

I have my doubts about him being able to become an elite player on the next level, but you can't deny the skill set he's shown this year, and his ability to put the ball in the basket. I don't know how his skill set will translate though on the next level.

[BlueNGold]

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

What caliber of PG do you guys see Kemba turning out to be?

Personally I would take him in the top 10, but that doesn't mean I necessarily think he's gonna be special or an All-Star or a permanent starter for his career.

I have my doubts about him being able to become an elite player on the next level, but you can't deny the skill set he's shown this year, and his ability to put the ball in the basket. I don't know how his skill set will translate though on the next level.

"Middle class" IMO. Not elite, but not terrible either. I think he could be an all-star, but I don't think he'll reach Derrick Rose levels.

[wwharton]

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

I agree with some points made by beantownbomber bc I do agree that it's hard to tell who will be "elite". In the "elite" group I wouldn't even include the couple of players he listed. My list may be Shaq, Lebron, Webber... and that's about it (and can Webber even count?).

With that said, I think his height comes into play based on where he goes. I think he'd be great on a team with a SG or SF that dominates the ball. If he's expected to be a pure PG (or SG if scouts don't believe his PG skills are up to snuff) then he won't work... or will be regulated to a bench spark plug role.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

I think he could be a great Ty Lawson/Eric Bledsoe off the bench spark player, at least in his first few years.

Change end to end fast and just change the pace of the game.

As a starter? It's cloudy. Like I said, I would still take him in the top 10

[jeebs9]

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I see him as a shooting guard right now. Don't get me wrong again. There is no denying his ability to put the ball into the basket. It's almost Iverson like (to a point). I think it depends on what team picks him up. But I see him in the Ben Gordon, Aaron Brooks, Jason Terry mold.

Again guys... 5-10 years from now you can roast me as much as you want lol.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

I see him as a shooting guard right now. Don't get me wrong again. There is no denying his ability to put the ball into the basket. It's almost Iverson like (to a point). I think it depends on what team picks him up. But I see him in the Ben Gordon, Aaron Brooks, Jason Terry mold.

Again guys... 5-10 years from now you can roast me as much as you want lol.

The problem is, he's tiny.

When people compare him to Gordon/Terry I have issue with that. Those guys are huge compared to Kemba.

When you mention Allen Iverson, I dunno, I think Iverson was a rare exception. A guy who was slight but could do whatever he wanted out there and play either guard position.

I don't think Kemba fits that mold. I think he will definitely have to play strictly point guard. Aaron Brooks never plays the off guard. Or at least I don't recall.

[jeebs9]

Yes Aaron Brooks makes more sense. But I'm looking at high low. Yes Iverson is the exception.

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[BlueNGold]

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

2-guard? I don't see it.

Anyways, the one thing that makes me uneasy making any kind of predictions/statements on this guy is that we've already seen he's willing and able to really improve his game. There's just a little feeling I have that he might actually be more than what I "predicted", but I guess we'll see.

This is why I'm not a scout.

[jeebs9]

Guys... the only reason I say two guard is because he been more effective there. Especially with teams keying on him so much.

BlueNGold I know what you mean. But I've been doing the scouting thing for a long time.

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[wwharton]

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

The problem is, he's tiny.

When people compare him to Gordon/Terry I have issue with that. Those guys are huge compared to Kemba.

When you mention Allen Iverson, I dunno, I think Iverson was a rare exception. A guy who was slight but could do whatever he wanted out there and play either guard position.

I don't think Kemba fits that mold. I think he will definitely have to play strictly point guard. Aaron Brooks never plays the off guard. Or at least I don't recall.

Yeah I'd have to add Iverson to my "elite" list. Had no doubt about him coming out of Gtown.

2-guard? I don't see it.

Anyways, the one thing that makes me uneasy making any kind of predictions/statements on this guy is that we've already seen he's willing and able to really improve his game. There's just a little feeling I have that he might actually be more than what I "predicted", but I guess we'll see.

This is why I'm not a scout.

This is a good point. On the SG thing, back in the day it'd be more of a question but today there's more of a place for the smaller SG or specialist. Just depends on the team.