2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

[ex carrabba fan]

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Oh, and I see Derrick Williams as the next Gerald Wallace.

I don't know about all of these Micheal Beasely comparisons. BEZ is content to shoot jumpers all day, and seems much more a shooter than Williams.

Williams likes to just roam the baseline catch and dunk. He seeks out contact and likes to slash to the rack like Crash does.

I would take him 2nd after Irving.

I don't know if his skill set translates to being able to out muscle guys in the paint.. but I'll take his gritty and grind it out type play on my team. You can't argue his production.

[wwharton]

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So who goes #1 overall? And what are your top 5-10 picks

Irving will hire an agent.

In my eyes, I draft him first. All of these other guys like Williams, Kanter and Perry Jones... I mean they seem like projects to me.

With Irving it could be similar to a CP3 situation all over again. I have a sneaking feeling Irving could go 3rd or 4th... but end up the best player of the draft by far.

Don't make that mistake, just take him #1 and be done with it. In fact to me he's the only can't miss out of the lottery projections.

You have a bunch of big Euro's, you have American projects, and then you have PG's like Kemba/Knight/Jimmer who you don't know what you're gonna get out of them.

Take Irving first!

I agree, but I also wonder a bit about Irving since we haven't seen that much of him. I worry more about who will get the first pick. If it's the Wizards do you take Irving? What about the Nets?

[jeebs9]

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top 5 talent right now? Because not everyone has entered the draft yet. Kemba Walker might come back for his senior season..........lol You wish don't you Uconn fans.

Kyrie Irving (even though he only played in 11 games)
Derrick Williams (The most NBA ready propect
Perry Jones (huge project)
Enes Kanter
Kemba Walker (Having trouble with size.)
Morris Twins from Kansas
Terrence Jones
Brandon Knight
Alec Burks
Kawhi Leonard


That is if they enter this year.

edit: By the way I was on a youtube video with guys calling Kemba Walker better than Kryie Irving.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I agree, but I also wonder a bit about Irving since we haven't seen that much of him. I worry more about who will get the first pick. If it's the Wizards do you take Irving? What about the Nets?

Yeah if you have an established young PG I dunno if you take Irving. I would probably take Williams if that's the case.

Apparently this guy could make a move into the lottery

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[ehh]

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Jon Giovanni has been on twitter lately acting like he practically discovered Bismack lol.

Irving has to go #1, I don't think there will be any debate. If the Wiz or Nets win the lottery I have no idea what they do, probably look to trade the pick I guess.

I don't know if DWill is that much better than Iggy coming out of Zona, it'll be kinda crazy if he's the #2 overall pick but I'm not sure there are any better options. Barnes maybe if you really want to roll the dice?

• From the little I've seen of Kanter I would not take him Top 5.
• Once the NCAA discovered Terrance Jones had no right hand he was nowhere near as effective, I think he's a big project with a questionable upside. I don't even know if he's a Top 20 pick.
• Love Knight as a college player but he struggled vs quicker opponents this year, but he's only 18 y/o. Don't think he has a very high ceiling, a solid starting PG is probably it IMO.
• I rarely saw Perry Jones play this year, from what I saw he's got a ways to go.
• I don't know about Kawhi anymore, role player IMO.
• Barnes is similar to Knight, like his game but I'm not sure I see him being more than a 3rd or 4th option on an NBA team. I think he has higher ceiling than Knight but neither's is anything to salivate over. Most of his best games this year came against the horrible cellar-dwellars of the ACC. It's obvious he isn't ready yet, Marvin Williams definitely rings a bell IMO.
• Kemba is the one everyone is really split on, I think he'll be an above average starting PG. I don't have any concerns with his ability to adapt to the pro game and run a team.

[ex carrabba fan]

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ehh feels exactly what I do and he put everything into perspective IMO

Barnes seems like Williams 2.0. I felt that when I first saw him in HS, and still feel that way after this year.

Terrance Jones has the slowest release I've ever seen. I also question whether he can even be a decent role player. His ceiling is "high" but something about him doesn't make me believe he'll turn out.

I'm sticking to my Derrick Williams/Gerald Wallace comparison.

[OSUFan_88]

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Williams reminds me more of Antawn Jamison with more athleticism than Crash, but that's JMHO.

Williams is undoubtedly the #2 guy.

As for Kemba...I wouldn't take him in the lottery. Backup and will be a new version of the Microwave. Don't see much more from Kemba. I'd also stay away because at his first chance, he's bolting for the Knicks/Nets.

Very intrigued by the Euros, especially Kanter.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Jamison is much more of a finesse guy, and depends on his craft and skill to score.

Williams depends on brute force, muscle and power.

I have never seen Jamison do any of this:

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[Jonesy]

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Yeah Williams likes to get down and dirty, Jamison is soft (but way more skillfull and a better shooter) by comparison.

I agree about Irving. It'll depend on who lands the number 1 but for me it would be:

1. Irving
2. Williams
3. Jones (mainly potential, it'll take him at least 3 years imo)
4. Kanter (size is valuable)
5. Burks

I think Kemba will crack the top 10 and I like his game. I just hope he's more Iverson than Shamond Williams but only time will tell. Barnes could get into the top 5 based on potential if he comes out imo but needs a few years like Jones.

What do you guys think about Nolan Smith?

[bigeastbumrush]

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I take Williams first.

I would be fired as a GM. But this is really reminding me of Derrick Rose vs. Michael Beasley. If that is the case, then you clearly go with Kyrie.

But I still take Williams. And the only reason I say that is because he's not a perimeter guy. Beasley was.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

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Isn't Williams a much better shooter then Crash? I think Williams ceiling is a guy who will average around 24pts 8reb 3ast 1blk for his career.

[DakkoN]

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I've seen one game of Kanter (and a whole lot of talk of how good he was in UK practice. Matt Jones of KSR/CBSSports has said many times that he is definitely better than DeMarcus Cousins was at this time last year) and that one game is all I needed to see to say that there is no way he should slip past pick #5. He completely dominated Sullinger/Terrence Jones/Patrick Young..

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[ex carrabba fan]

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Isn't Williams a much better shooter then Crash? I think Williams ceiling is a guy who will average around 24pts 8reb 3ast 1blk for his career.

Perhaps.

But you have to consider that the 3 point line is much closer than the NBA's.

Also consider that on the next level, he's not gonna get as clean looks as he does in college. He's not gonna be able to create his own shot or have open looks as cleanly as he did at Arizona.

Defensively and on the glass I don't think he quite compares to Crash nor will he be as productive as Crash on those two things.

I guess the way he gets points I compare similarly to Crash.

[ehh]

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Williams shot a high percentage from deep but didn't take a ton of 'em, the Dook game was an aberration. I don't see a Jamison comparison at all like Ex said. I do see the Crash comparison but I also didn't see a single game Wallace played at Bama so I can't do an "at this age" comparison between the two.

As for Kemba, I'll keep being a broken record but if guys like Collison, Jrue Holiday and Ty Lawson are starting PGs I don't see how Kemba will be a back up. He had absolutely no space to operate in this year, get him with talented pros and better spacing and he'll be okay.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I've seen one game of Kanter (and a whole lot of talk of how good he was in UK practice. Matt Jones of KSR/CBSSports has said many times that he is definitely better than DeMarcus Cousins was at this time last year) and that one game is all I needed to see to say that there is no way he should slip past pick #5. He completely dominated Sullinger/Terrence Jones/Patrick Young..

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Just going by that video of him, I can't see him being any better than a career backup C in the league, which isn't a bad thing. He rebounds well and gets in good position, didn't see much defensively to be able to tell how good he is there, but he should definitely have a solid career. Might take him a while but if he goes to a team that focuses on Defense I can see him having a Marcin Gortat type player.