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  • ehh
    Hall Of Fame
    • Mar 2003
    • 28962

    #211
    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

    Some of my thoughts...
    • Davis: A no brainer #1. Will be a franchise player/game-changer for the next dozen years. When he adds muscle and his J gets more consistent (it'll be wet eventually) he'll be as good as any big in the game.
    • Drummond: ultra-raw both in terms of skills and smarts. Despite being an absolute freak athletically he has a very long way to go. Doesn't always play hard, is kind of a gentle giant. Has zero offensive game, just catches alley oops. He's a risk being taken in the Top 5 but you have to do it. At this point he's DeAndre Jordan, who was a 2nd round pick (granted he shouldn't have been). Will be absolutely lost in the NBA next year if he declares.
    • MKG: Probably who I'd take #2. All the intangibles, will be a defensive monster and should develop into a good 2nd or 3rd scoring option.
    • Robinson: Another great athlete but he struggled against players his size especially when it came to finishing in traffic. He's a tremendous rebounder and a good defender. He should be a good pick-n-roll player (which KU had no hope of doing well because of Tyshawn Taylor) and develop a deadly mid-range J. Would take him #3.
    • Sullinger: Hard to project but I don't see much happening here. He's got a great head on his shoulders and works hard but basically has Big Baby's body type and athleticism. He should be a solid guy off the bench. He'll be a major defensive liability. I wouldn't take him in the lottery. Who knows though, after what Kevin Love has done Sullinger might be a great pro.
    • Beal: I'd take him over Lamb or Barnes, who both have clear limitations and will be role players and 3rd to 4th-best players on a good NBA team.
    • J. Lamb: Doesn't ever get to the FT line. Should benefit from more space in the NBA game especially with his floater. Aggressiveness is a big concern. Length is a major plus. Will be a good spread-the-floor shooter.
    • Perry Jones: Wouldn't touch in the first round. Disappeared constantly. He's simply not tough enough, mentally or physically.
    • Barnes: Book is out on him - can't create his own shot, not a great athlete. But he'll still be a good pro. I think his 7-10 projection is spot on.
    • Terrance Jones: really tough call. Used his athleticism so much in college that it concerns me when he faces equal and superior athletes in the NBA. Never seen a kid with no weak-hand skills as much as him. He'll go left until he can't go any further, then try to go left some more. Tough kid, plays hard, should find a nice niche in the NBA as hustle/clean-up-the-mess type of player. His J should improve (just square up his shoulders/hips/feet and his FG% will go up quite a bit).
    • Marshall: Marcus Williams without the jumper but also without the attitude/work ethic problems. Not sure if he'll be a starter but he should hold down a roster spot in the league.
    • Henson: Size, length, rebounding. Should be add nice front court depth, not sure he'll be a starter. Still not very skilled, clearly an interior player.
    • T. Zeller - Smart, knows how to use his body even though he's not overly strong. Not a great defender but should be a solid big off the bench. More well-rounded than Henson but doesn't have a standout strength like Henson.
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    • redsrule
      All Star
      • Apr 2010
      • 9396

      #212
      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

      Like the list quite a bit.
      MKG should be on the all defensive teams for years to come imo.
      Davis has a good offensive game, and his midrange game is ever improving. Wouldn't surprise me to see him shoot good from 3 in the future as well.
      Henson and Davis both need to probably gain 30 pounds.
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      • RedSceptile
        MVP
        • Jun 2011
        • 3680

        #213
        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

        Originally posted by redsrule
        Like the list quite a bit.
        MKG should be on the all defensive teams for years to come imo.
        Davis has a good offensive game, and his midrange game is ever improving. Wouldn't surprise me to see him shoot good from 3 in the future as well.
        Henson and Davis both need to probably gain 30 pounds.
        The thing about Davis is he's got really broad shoulders so he could put on another 25-35 lbs (I think he's at around 225 now) without sacrificing athleticism all while being 19. Henson on the other hand is probably at his weight limit and he's just about 220 as well and 21.

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        • Yeah...THAT Guy
          Once in a Lifetime Memory
          • Dec 2006
          • 17294

          #214
          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

          Originally posted by ehh
          Some of my thoughts...
          • Davis: A no brainer #1. Will be a franchise player/game-changer for the next dozen years. When he adds muscle and his J gets more consistent (it'll be wet eventually) he'll be as good as any big in the game.
          • Drummond: ultra-raw both in terms of skills and smarts. Despite being an absolute freak athletically he has a very long way to go. Doesn't always play hard, is kind of a gentle giant. Has zero offensive game, just catches alley oops. He's a risk being taken in the Top 5 but you have to do it. At this point he's DeAndre Jordan, who was a 2nd round pick (granted he shouldn't have been). Will be absolutely lost in the NBA next year if he declares.
          • MKG: Probably who I'd take #2. All the intangibles, will be a defensive monster and should develop into a good 2nd or 3rd scoring option.
          • Robinson: Another great athlete but he struggled against players his size especially when it came to finishing in traffic. He's a tremendous rebounder and a good defender. He should be a good pick-n-roll player (which KU had no hope of doing well because of Tyshawn Taylor) and develop a deadly mid-range J. Would take him #3.
          • Sullinger: Hard to project but I don't see much happening here. He's got a great head on his shoulders and works hard but basically has Big Baby's body type and athleticism. He should be a solid guy off the bench. He'll be a major defensive liability. I wouldn't take him in the lottery. Who knows though, after what Kevin Love has done Sullinger might be a great pro.
          • Beal: I'd take him over Lamb or Barnes, who both have clear limitations and will be role players and 3rd to 4th-best players on a good NBA team.
          • J. Lamb: Doesn't ever get to the FT line. Should benefit from more space in the NBA game especially with his floater. Aggressiveness is a big concern. Length is a major plus. Will be a good spread-the-floor shooter.
          • Perry Jones: Wouldn't touch in the first round. Disappeared constantly. He's simply not tough enough, mentally or physically.
          • Barnes: Book is out on him - can't create his own shot, not a great athlete. But he'll still be a good pro. I think his 7-10 projection is spot on.
          • Terrance Jones: really tough call. Used his athleticism so much in college that it concerns me when he faces equal and superior athletes in the NBA. Never seen a kid with no weak-hand skills as much as him. He'll go left until he can't go any further, then try to go left some more. Tough kid, plays hard, should find a nice niche in the NBA as hustle/clean-up-the-mess type of player. His J should improve (just square up his shoulders/hips/feet and his FG% will go up quite a bit).
          • Marshall: Marcus Williams without the jumper but also without the attitude/work ethic problems. Not sure if he'll be a starter but he should hold down a roster spot in the league.
          • Henson: Size, length, rebounding. Should be add nice front court depth, not sure he'll be a starter. Still not very skilled, clearly an interior player.
          • T. Zeller - Smart, knows how to use his body even though he's not overly strong. Not a great defender but should be a solid big off the bench. More well-rounded than Henson but doesn't have a standout strength like Henson.
          Nice list. I think it's gonna take Davis a few years before his offensive game is good enough to be an All-Star caliber player, but he definitely has the potential and just seems like he'll get there eventually. I also think he could be deadly in the pick and roll with how well he moves his feet for a big man.
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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #215
            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

            Give him 2 years and he'll be an All Star and the only reason I say 2 is because he probably won't make it as a rookie. Hell, all he'll need is a few highlight plays just like Blake and that'll be enough lol.
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            • redsrule
              All Star
              • Apr 2010
              • 9396

              #216
              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

              Regarding Perry Jones though, I think he could be very good in the NBA, or he could be a complete bust. He has potential.
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              • ehh
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2003
                • 28962

                #217
                Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                Originally posted by redsrule
                Regarding Perry Jones though, I think he could be very good in the NBA, or he could be a complete bust. He has potential.
                I think he's gotten by on hype for way too long. He's a Layup Line All-Star.

                I forgot to put Melo on my list. Despite the fact that he's a major knucklehead I would take him in the Top 15. I didn't understand all the hate about DeAndre Jordan a few years back that made him fall to the 2nd round. Someone really thought it was a good idea to draft 24 year old Joey Dorsey over him? Similar situation here IMO.

                Melo was a total idiot as a freshman, not even remotely committed to basketball. This year he bumped up his commitment level and made a huge, huge jump. He certainly might get a guaranteed NBA contract and be a lazy bum but he also might take another step forward in his commitment level and development. He's 7', mobile, good shot blocker and has already shown a developing mid-range game. That doesn't sound like a second rounder to me.
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                • RedSceptile
                  MVP
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 3680

                  #218
                  Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                  Most of DeAndre's draft problem's were his maturity and supposed attitude problem.

                  Guess they were wrong.

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                  • Dice
                    Sitting by the door
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 6627

                    #219
                    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                    Originally posted by RedSceptile
                    Most of DeAndre's draft problem's were his maturity and supposed attitude problem.

                    Guess they were wrong.
                    I think the concerns at the time we're very valid. Considering at the time, Jordan did not seem to progress at all when he was a Texas A&M. Most would have pegged him as a top 10 pick coming out of high school if they would have allowed high schoolers at the time. BUT in college, you noticed his poor foot work and bad fundamentals. And that wasn't the main issue, it just never improved. No way, someone of his athletic gifts and size only score 8 ppg in college. Heck, Blake Griffin scored 20 ppg in the same conference on athletic ability alone.

                    Jordan was fortunate enough to land in a great situation when he got to the league. He played under Marcus Camby his first two seasons and got to understand from him that he could change the game on defense. Then he got to play with Chris Paul this year, which definitely improves his offense in terms of numbers.

                    So Jordan came out good because of the situation he was put into. Would have he been the same player if say he got drafted by the Raptors? I think it would have been entirely different for him.
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                    • wwharton
                      *ll St*r
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 26949

                      #220
                      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                      Originally posted by Dice
                      Remember, he drafted Kwame Brown. So he's capable of drafting ANYBODY.
                      I'll just reply to your later post.

                      Originally posted by l3ulvl
                      Yeah I was thinking best case scenario Sullinger could be like Al Jefferson. I wouldn't take him top 5, but in the 2nd tier of the first round would be alright. I did lose a little faith after watching Withey eat him up, but he's less likely to be matched up with 7 footers in the NBA, which would leave a weaker defender on Monroe (in the Detroit scenario).
                      If I went back in time knowing Al Jefferson would turn into what he has, I would definitely take him top 5. As for Sullinger, not only will he be playing against 4's, he also won't be such a focal point of the offense. If he has to have a role as big as he did in college, he'll be a bust but as a 3rd or 4th option I think he could be great.

                      Originally posted by Dice
                      Actually, it was a bad pick. If I could remember, Kwame was part of probably one of the worst drafts in recent history. So at the time, there wasn't any 'can't miss' prospects. So leading up to the draft, Kwame was no 'sure' fire' number one pick. There were many questions surrounding him outside of just being a high school player. Some felt during that time that Chandler should have been number one. BUT one of the big things that went against Kwame was that he was a 19-year old high school senior. His dominance on the high school level at 19 against 17-18 year old kids can be looked at as overrated. But Jordan decided to go with Kwame, and he paid for it.
                      Going into the draft, every coach/scout pretty much agreed that Kwame was the #1 choice. It was close but he was it. And, like you said, the draft options were so bad that Battier was a serious contender to go #1. He's had a career about as expected, so that should say something.

                      I don't think Kwame, Chandler or Curry turned out into what they were projected to be coming out of high school. We can look at Chandler's success but it's been more about the teams he's been on. I wonder how Kwame would've developed if he was on one of those teams (or Curry if he stayed healthy and was on one of those teams... besides the Bulls in the early years of course). Not to mention, Kwame was a 19 year old kid getting drafted by his idol, the GOAT. He gets there immature, and gets all confidence ripped out of him by MJ... ON THE COURT! That's gotta be tough. I think Jordan ruined any chance he had.

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                      • ProfessaPackMan
                        Bamma
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 63852

                        #221
                        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                        Perry Jones and Thomas Robinson will enter the NBA Draft.
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                        • Chrisksaint
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                          • Apr 2010
                          • 19127

                          #222
                          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                          I've been going through some mock drafts, most have the Hornets taking MKG or Thomas Robinson(obviously depending on the lottery,etc. for that top pick)

                          But some have them taking Damian Lillard with the T'wolves pick. Anyone know anything about him?
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                          • Paul Pierce_OS
                            Don't Kill My Vibe
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 4626

                            #223
                            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                            Originally posted by Chrisksaint
                            I've been going through some mock drafts, most have the Hornets taking MKG or Thomas Robinson(obviously depending on the lottery,etc. for that top pick)

                            But some have them taking Damian Lillard with the T'wolves pick. Anyone know anything about him?
                            I hope Anthony Davis goes to Cleveland or the bobcats....
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                            • Yeah...THAT Guy
                              Once in a Lifetime Memory
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 17294

                              #224
                              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                              Originally posted by Chrisksaint
                              I've been going through some mock drafts, most have the Hornets taking MKG or Thomas Robinson(obviously depending on the lottery,etc. for that top pick)

                              But some have them taking Damian Lillard with the T'wolves pick. Anyone know anything about him?
                              Seems to be a PG with a great scorer's mentality. Just seems to be a good all-around scorer and a solid rebounder. Good wingspan. He has a lot of hype.

                              Look at his step-back jumper towards the end of this video.

                              Looking at his game log:
                              @Saint Mary's: 36 points on 11/18 shooting 12/15 from the FT line, lost by about 17 though
                              Montana: 21 points on 4/15 shooting 11/12 from the FT line, won by 16
                              @Montana: 19 points on 7/19 shooting, lost by 15
                              @Montana: 29 points, 10 rebounds, 7 assists, 11/23 shooting
                              For what it's worth, he missed the majority of his junior season (injury I think)

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                              • OSUFan_88
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                                • Jul 2004
                                • 25642

                                #225
                                Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                                I wish the Lottery were sooner. I need to get the false hope out of my head that the Cavaliers could get Anthony Davis with Kyrie.
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