2019 Offseason Thread

[georgiafan]

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Durant is opting out

[Smallville102001]

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All of it. The Clippers have never been a FA destination and Blake Griffin can speak for how loyal they are to their players. But now cause they got cap space and hired Lee Jenkins from SI, all of a sudden the media is talking them up like they're some world class organization and always have been. It's pretty funny. Not saying the Lakers are much better given how much of a **** show they've been since Dr. Buss died but Toronto is miles ahead of LAC from an organizational standpoint

I figured it was more about how jerry west is there and about how he has had a lot of success ever were he has been.

[King_B_Mack]

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How is it so hard to believe all of that about the Clippers but you believe in the Vegas odds for Kyrie/KD?

Because one of them wants him to go to the Lakers and the other wants him to stay in Toronto. Cause we can talk about media narratives and the Clippers past and all this bull**** to try to undermine them as a landing spot to talk up their teams, but the Lakers broke up a dynasty trading Shaq out of town for Kobe and the Raptors literally just fired the coach of the year and shipped a franchise player out of town but yeah let's play the loyalty card with Blake Griffin for why the Clippers "shouldn't be getting talked about." Nevermind the fact that Jerry West is apart of the Clippers organization and has built 3 different dynasties in his executive career. But oh yeah gotta hate those narratives. You know as long as they aren't the narratives that push the angle we want them to push.

[ojandpizza]

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I like KCP don't get me wrong. But he is not the shooter that JR Smith is. I think this one decision making and focus thing is getting out of hand. People are literally summing up one play for his whole career. That's sad.

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He makes far more stupid decisions on the court than just that one play. He's due for about one play a game, that one just so happened to be in the closing seconds of a great playoff game. Regardless, he's a great option off the bench on a min deal.I figure regardless of what the Lakers do with their actual cap guys like JR, Korver, Melo, Jeff Green, etc will be on the radar for filling out the rest of the roster. As long as none of them guys are starters playing big minutes, very low risk high reward moves IMO.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I like KCP don't get me wrong. But he is not the shooter that JR Smith is. I think this one decision making and focus thing is getting out of hand. People are literally summing up one play for his whole career. That's sad.

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JR was known for his poor decision making well before that one play.

KCP isn't as good a shooter, but I think he's close enough that his defense tips things in KCP's favor. I imagine JR would be a cheaper option though, which depending on what the Lakers want to do this offseason, might be necessary.

[ojandpizza]

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JR was known for his poor decision making well before that one play.

KCP isn't as good a shooter, but I think he's close enough that his defense tips things in KCP's favor. I imagine JR would be a cheaper option though, which depending on what the Lakers want to do this offseason, might be necessary.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if they have them both. Lakers paid KCP 17 and 12 mil the past two years. Dude is likely a 5-8 mil guy. I think he'll be back on a team friendly deal.

[cima]

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How is it so hard to believe all of that about the Clippers but you believe in the Vegas odds for Kyrie/KD?

Because it’s all fabricated BS from the media. There’s no media narrative with odds so I don’t know why you’re comparing the two. Odds talk real $, numbers speak to me more than a media company that’s clearly pushing an agenda.


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[cima]

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Because one of them wants him to go to the Lakers and the other wants him to stay in Toronto. Cause we can talk about media narratives and the Clippers past and all this bull**** to try to undermine them as a landing spot to talk up their teams, but the Lakers broke up a dynasty trading Shaq out of town for Kobe and the Raptors literally just fired the coach of the year and shipped a franchise player out of town but yeah let's play the loyalty card with Blake Griffin for why the Clippers "shouldn't be getting talked about." Nevermind the fact that Jerry West is apart of the Clippers organization and has built 3 different dynasties in his executive career. But oh yeah gotta hate those narratives. You know as long as they aren't the narratives that push the angle we want them to push.

Lol @ bringing up the 15 year old Shaq trade like they had any other choice other than to split them up.

I think the Lakers clearly showed how loyal (or arguably stupid, but nonetheless loyal) they are when they gave Kobe his last contract


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[King_B_Mack]

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Lol @ bringing up the 15 year old Shaq trade like they had any other choice other than to split them up.

I think the Lakers clearly showed how loyal (or arguably stupid, but nonetheless loyal) they are when they gave Kobe his last contract


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Yeah you're right, let's get to something in the last two weeks. Let's go ask Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart and Lonzo how loyal the Lakers are. **** out of here with this loyalty discussion cima. You're better than this with regards to any sports team.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Because it’s all fabricated BS from the media. There’s no media narrative with odds so I don’t know why you’re comparing the two. Odds talk real $, numbers speak to me more than a media company that’s clearly pushing an agenda.


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The Nets and the Clippers are in the exact same position, that's why I compared them. Everything you listed as a reason for the Clippers to be undesirable applies to the Nets.

Odds are moved based on where people are putting their money, which is based at least partially on media narratives.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Durant is opting out

GSW, Clippers, Nets & Knicks are KD's choices, per Woj.

[cima]

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Yeah you're right, let's get to something in the last two weeks. Let's go ask Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart and Lonzo how loyal the Lakers are. **** out of here with this loyalty discussion cima. You're better than this with regards to any sports team.

You're right, we don't even need to have the loyalty discussion. All I'm saying is all this Clippers talk is nauseating because it's coincided with Ballmer hiring Lee Jenkins. They don't have some rich history and ESPN talking them up and linking all these big names to them when just a year ago it was the Lakers. Like them saying yesterday "if Klay doesn't get a max offer from the Warriors right away, he may be open to taking a meeting with the Clippers". Stuff like that that's clearly just made-up speculation.

The Nets and the Clippers are in the exact same position, that's why I compared them. Everything you listed as a reason for the Clippers to be undesirable applies to the Nets.

Odds are moved based on where people are putting their money, which is based at least partially on media narratives.

Which is an interesting comparison because even though KD/Kyrie are linked to the Nets, no one really talks about them. Hell, no one even really talks about the Knicks that much either anymore. It seems the most discussed topic is definitely Kawhi and how it's supposedly down to the Raptors/Clippers...even though we know Kawhi's camp isn't saying anything, but that's all we've heard is it's down to just those 2 teams...until yesterday when Woj backpedaled yet again and said "he's keeping his eye on the Lakers". Or some point last week he randomly threw out there "he might me with Philly".


And I know, I shouldn't get so worked up over the media, I realize how silly it is. Obviously I'd prefer Kawhi to go to LAL but at this point I want that or him to stay in TOR just to see how ESPN and Woj try to spin that one when the Clippers come away with no big names this offseason.

[ojandpizza]

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The more it seems the whole DLo thing might actually have something to it the more I've been thinking about the signing.. This is my basic take a way.

Pros: Fits the AD timeline, cheaper than the other options, can play the 1 or 2 which makes it the best fit in filling out the last starting piece. Get a young piece back.

Cons: Play-style is questionable with Bron/AD IMO, he's not yet proven to be a max guy, has quickly become pretty overrated based on the All-Star "selection" last year. Doesn't fix team needs in relation to where they struggled last year.

Basically, if the 20 to low-20s mil a year thing is something that can actually get a deal done it's probably the best move. I think if that happens the Lakers push even harder to clear the full 32 mil, because that would give them 10-12 mil more to work with plus whatever exception they will have. They could use all that for one really good player, split it for 2 pretty good players, or go for maybe 3 solid players before even having to worry about minimum deals.

Otherwise I'm not so sure. All this talk was how bad of shooters the Lakers were last year and DLo is no better. All he takes is jumpers, doesn't make enough of them for it to be justifiable, and is a bad defender. He struggles to shoot over 40% from the field, his career high is 43%, because he doesn't get to the rim for high efficient shots.. As bad people talked about Ingram and Kuz last year, I'm surprised to see so many people think DLo is a max player. He's a less efficient scorer overall than either of them. And a much worse defender than Ingram.

The fact that he can create is own look is great on a team that needs that, but the Lakers have Bron, Kuz, AD.. They need a player who can be MUCH more consistent than what DLo is, and off the iso mid range pull-ups and 3's aren't at all what they need from a guy who really would be best suited to scale his game back a bit to play off Bron and AD..

That said, on a cheaper than max deal he's a good signing for the flexibility he gives them and the fact that he's still young and improving.

[King_B_Mack]

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Shams reporting that the NBA has removed Omer Asik's deal from the Bulls' salary books via career-ending injury/illness. So that will free up an additional $3M in space.

Honestly if they could get someone to take Felicio off their hands I think they'd have room for a max slot. If you're a max free agent you could do worse than landing on a Bulls team loaded with young talent. You'd be signing onto a team with a core of Lauri, Zach Lavine, Wendell Carter Jr, Otto Porter and Coby White at the point. You could probably move Dunn at some point during the year for additional pieces if needed and depending on Kawhi and whatever Philly decides to do, that's a wide open Eastern Conference outside of Milwaukee who is essentially going to bring back the same team and just bank on guys getting better.

[ojandpizza]

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Shams reporting that the NBA has removed Omer Asik's deal from the Bulls' salary books via career-ending injury/illness. So that will free up an additional $3M in space.



Honestly if they could get someone to take Felicio off their hands I think they'd have room for a max slot. If you're a max free agent you could do worse than landing on a Bulls team loaded with young talent. You'd be signing onto a team with a core of Lauri, Zach Lavine, Wendell Carter Jr, Otto Porter and Coby White at the point. You could probably move Dunn at some point during the year for additional pieces if needed and depending on Kawhi and whatever Philly decides to do, that's a wide open Eastern Conference outside of Milwaukee who is essentially going to bring back the same team and just bank on guys getting better.

DLo would be a much better fit for Chicago than the Lakers..


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