The OFFICIAL NBA Playoffs Thread

[Dynasty4Kobe]

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This may have been posted already, but I haven't been reading the thread. Did anyone hear that Tayshaun Prince, Elden Campbell, and Lindsey Hunter were in a car accident a day before Game 7? None of them were injured, but it's a pretty scary thought.

[poster]

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Well I dont know if I will get a chance to post again as I am going to get married and am leaving for a while. I will try to find a computer down there but it might not work out. Go Pistons, I know you can win it. Good luck to the Spurs fans. This series is going to be sick!

[Shaver]

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he needs more offense before i can consider him great. he's just defense and when he plays true centers he does have problems. there are alot of better offensive centers out there. Shaq, Z, Brezec, Kristic, Okafar. They are all better offensively and im just going by stats, so he still needs to be more offensive before i can consider him great cause when he does guard a true center he doesnt do that good of a job

Do you really HAVE TO have an offensive game to be great??? There are Great offensive players that play no D...why can't it work the other way???

[Kashanova]

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Do you really HAVE TO have an offensive game to be great??? There are Great offensive players that play no D...why can't it work the other way???

No you don't but to me i think he is overrated defensively, especially at the center spot, if he played pf and did all that i'll be perfectly fine with what your saying, he isnt a great player with stats, but if your saying influcent yea i can agree with you, but i just think the word great is being throw out like if there used condoms. I would say ben is a very good player.

[Sarah]

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Do you really HAVE TO have an offensive game to be great??? There are Great offensive players that play no D...why can't it work the other way???

Yeah, but how many had become an MVP through defense only with no offense? Most of the greatest C and PF of all time are all good defenders and excellent offensive players. To seal his legacy as a great player he must start winning season MVP awards and start making it to the all-star first team.

Dirk on the other hand is called a player with no D and pure O, and that is the reason why he is not named MVP yet. But then I don't know anything.

[Shaver]

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But no one ever said he was an MVP caliber player in the NBA... he will never win that award. He is an All-Star and will continue to be.

BUT... I would argue, by definition, he is MVP worthy. MVP is supposed to go to the person most valuable to their team. Hard to argue that the Pistons lose more by losing Ben than any other player on their team.

But, again, that being said, he will never win an MVP award in the NBA.

Again...you're also getting wrapped up on the word GREAT. Great to me is All-Star caliber, second-tier. The first tier is Hall of Fame level.

First tier in the NBA right now is your AI, Duncan, Shaq, KG, Kobe...that level.

The GREAT level, to me, is the next row down... JO, Nash, Amare, Ben...

What word people use is not the issue... the issue is people who say Ben is HIGHLY overrated. I don't see how that is. He's a fantastic rebounder. Numbers wise...technique... instincts... He is one of the best weakside shot blockers in NBA history... and he has remarkably good hands for a Center/PF consistently ranking high in steals among front court players...

His offense SUCKS... but no one in the NBA or fans (even the biggest Pistons homers) would argue with that... so he can't be overrated. Sucks is not an overrating.

My argument is simply that anyone who is basing the bulk of their opinion on these 7 games on Shaq, is doing it without enough data. Who has EVER stopped Shaq??? Even Michael Jordan had defenders that slowed him down. Shaq has never had an individual who could stop him 1 on 1. What Ben gave defensively in that series was only one thing, he was able to play Shaq 1 on 1. Not stop him. But, the fact that Detroit didn't have to double is what gave them a chance to win that series. If Miami gets a double on Shaq and can Post & Kick... Wade, Jones, and Jones will KILL YOU.

Just my opinion

[Sully]

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Dirk on the other hand is called a player with no D and pure O, and that is the reason why he is not named MVP yet. But then I don't know anything.

Steve Nash is a horrible defender...and he won MVP.

[dingdingdong]

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Defense = championship

Just look at the Pistons last year.
And now this year, whose in the finals? The top defensive teams in the L. Offense is overrated.

[Kashanova]

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Defense = championship

Just look at the Pistons last year.
And now this year, whose in the finals? The top defensive teams in the L. Offense is overrated.

defense is overrated. how many times has this happen?

[dingdingdong]

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defense is overrated. how many times has this happen?

Your right.

You need a good mixture of both Defensive and Offensive to win a championship.

With that said, Pistons and Spurs have both. We'll see who prevails during this Finals.

[Sarah]

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Steve Nash is a horrible defender...and he won MVP.

PG responsibility for the most part is to provide floor control and create or call for offensive plays. They are like the coach in the floor, and they can either follow what the coach says or they can call plays the way they see fit in the situation. They don't have to bear defensive responsibility for the most part as that is what the SF, PF and C are for. As you can probably see, not many true PG are in the top 50 greatest players of all time.

Nash became an MVP because he satisfied the responsibilities of a PG, if he is a PF or a C for example, his responsibility to become an MVP would be different. Defense and Offense, leadership and team improvement would be his responsibility as what most big man are supposed to be. As you probably notice when the word "defense" is brought up, we usually don't have to look further than the C, PF, and sometimes SF.

When talking about the floor generals and creating offensive plays we usually won't look further than the PG or the SG. Each position has its own responsibility. But, you know that is how I see the situation.

[Shaver]

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PG responsibility for the most part is to provide floor control and create or call for offensive plays. They are like the coach in the floor, and they can either follow what the coach says or they can call plays the way they see fit in the situation. They don't have to bear defensive responsibility for the most part as that is what the SF, PF and C are for. As you can probably see, not many true PG are in the top 50 greatest players of all time.

Nash became an MVP because he satisfied the responsibilities of a PG, if he is a PF or a C for example, his responsibility to become an MVP would be different. Defense and Offense, leadership and team improvement would be his responsibility as what most big man are supposed to be. As you probably notice when the word "defense" is brought up, we usually don't have to look further than the C, PF, and sometimes SF.

When talking about the floor generals and creating offensive plays we usually won't look further than the PG or the SG. Each position has its own responsibility. But, you know that is how I see the situation.

WOW! I don't think I could disagree with these 3 paragraphs more.

"Nash became an MVP because he satisfied the responsibilities of a PG"

No... Nash won the MVP because he plays classic PG AND.....AND can score nearly at will. If Nash shoots like Ben Wallace, he doesn't get a single MVP vote.

If a PG's responsibilities are to call the plays, run the break, and dish the rock... why isn't John Stockton's mantle FULL of MVP's?????

Nash is FAR from a classic PG.

[Sarah]

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WOW! I don't think I could disagree with these 3 paragraphs more.

"Nash became an MVP because he satisfied the responsibilities of a PG"

No... Nash won the MVP because he plays classic PG AND.....AND can score nearly at will. If Nash shoots like Ben Wallace, he doesn't get a single MVP vote.

If a PG's responsibilities are to call the plays, run the break, and dish the rock... why isn't John Stockton's mantle FULL of MVP's?????

Nash is FAR from a classic PG.

Well, there are also other players that needs to be considered other than just PG's. Who knows maybe Nash won't won anymore season MVP awards in the future. But then he may. Stocton's era was mostly dominated by the big men like Kareem, Olajuwon, Barkly and others I can't remember. And not to mention Jordan, and this players have the capabilities of taking thier respective teams far in the season or playoffs in consecutive seasons. What can Stocton do, unless he can start doing what Jordan can do.

But if Stocton play in this era, who knows he may have won 2 or 3 season MVP's. Todays big men are not as good as the big men of 1984 to 1995. If Nash played back then, he may never recieve an MVP award. In fact he was closely contested by Shaq for the MVP. If Duncan played consistently this season Nash may have never won the MVP award this season.

[Shaver]

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Well, there are also other players that needs to be considered other than just PG's. Who knows maybe Nash won't won anymore season MVP awards in the future. But then he may. Stocton's era was mostly dominated by the big men like Kareem, Olajuwon, Barkly and others I can't remember. And not to mention Jordan, and this players have the capabilities of taking thier respective teams far in the season or playoffs in consecutive seasons. What can Stocton do, unless he can start doing what Jordan can do.

But if Stocton play in this era, who knows he may have won 2 or 3 season MVP's. Todays big men are not as good as the big men of 1984 to 1995. If Nash played back then, he may never recieve an MVP award. In fact he was closely contested by Shaq for the MVP. If Duncan played consistently this season Nash may have never won the MVP award this season.

You're missing the point... Nash won because he is an anomoly, not because he is a classic PG. He's the exact opposite.

[RahKhem]

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Well Clay, Stockton did have 4 seaons where he averaged more points and more assists per game than Nash did this year, so Stockton wasn't exactly a slouch when it came to socring.