Sway And Pray. Let's Talk About This.

[The Relaxed Guy]

Re: Guard breaks and head movement changes.

If I'm wrong about the elbow exploit, I apologize. From my testing, the transition to sprawl (not half guard) protects you from the elbow.

Not a transition fake - but an immediate and fully committed transition to sprawl immediately after the slam.

Again, if I'm wrong I apologize. With everyone saying otherwise I'll have to double check.


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[Serengeti1]

Sway And Pray. Let's Talk About This.

Okay so currently the game is a sway and pray fest in ranked. There are occasionally realistic fights but yeah. The reason this happens is because counter uppercuts and hooks do a ton of damage and are very easy to land. This kind of fight can be forced on anyone and you have no choice but to play this way if your opponent chooses to.

Some ideas have been discussed on this board that I think could indirectly stop this from happening but I just want to make sure that it's known that this criticism of the game is very real.

I'm in a top 100 community on PS4 and despite them being the best players... they don't like it either. It's very luck based. A lot of us like the game a lot when it's played realistically but those fights are few and far between right now.

I'm hoping that block not being as OP can help this aspect of the game but I'm not totally convinced it'll be enough.

Can we maybe discuss ideas on how to stop this being the current meta? Because it really, really needs to change. And what's going to happen is the people who don't play at the top level are soon going to find this out too (as it takes time for things to trickle down).

I hope that this problem is a priority for the gamechangers and developers as it's really taking the fun and skill out of the game.

[johnmangala]

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Those ducking uppercuts are sway and pray, but they don't even need to pray.

[Serengeti1]

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Those ducking uppercuts are sway and pray, but they don't even need to pray.

You can sway and hook someone ducking and uppercutting. You can also sway/uppercut them.

This is 80% of the stand up in division 5. Alternating between different combinations of sways/ducks and hooks/uppercuts. You cannot outside fight against someone doing this. They will catch and KO you if you don't KO them first with a counter upper/hook.

[johnmangala]

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You can sway and hook someone ducking and uppercutting. You can also sway/uppercut them.

This is 80% of the stand up in division 5. Alternating between different combinations of sways/ducks and hooks/uppercuts. You cannot outside fight against someone doing this. They will catch and KO you if you don't them first with a counter upper/hook.

Intercept knees need to be more like uppercuts to deal with ducking, TDs, and body shots.

[Serengeti1]

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I don't think I'd have an issue with how inside fighting works if you could actually keep a guy off you with a jab or basic 1-2. You can't though. Nothing works. Leg kicks don't work. I just fought a top ten guy who was trying to leg kick me and I just battered his head around with hooks before KO'ing him. I can upload it if need be.

Like this is the meat and potatoes. This is what needs attention and is the primary thing ****ing the game up. It's turned wins and losses into a dice roll.

[UFCBlackbelt]

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I agree 100%, the mechanism looks really bad and affords the opponent too much protection. I think vulnerability should be greater with head movement. I dont think you should be able to duck under most high kicks, or straights. Unless a shorter fighter


I tried playing a game as Holly Holm, sticking and moving. Naturally, I lost the decision because my opponent was just holding forward, never even rocked me. And then I play Holly as mike tyson and go on a huge winning streak, you are incentivized to be a boxer in this game. This needs to really not be the game, there needs to be a greater threat for standing rifht in front of someone.

Maybe make head movement cause a stamina tax, or increase vulnerability. Head movement should be part of your defense but the number 1 defense should be footwork and we see none of that

[johnmangala]

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I agree 100%, the mechanism looks really bad and affords the opponent too much protection. I think vulnerability should be greater with head movement. I dont think you should be able to duck under most high kicks, or straights. Unless a shorter fighter


I tried playing a game as Holly Holm, sticking and moving. Naturally, I lost the decision because my opponent was just holding forward, never even rocked me. And then I play Holly as mike tyson and go on a huge winning streak, you are incentivized to be a boxer in this game. This needs to really not be the game, there needs to be a greater threat for standing rifht in front of someone.

Maybe make head movement cause a stamina tax, or increase vulnerability. Head movement should be part of your defense but the number 1 defense should be footwork and we see none of that

Exactly.

Footwork needs to be the priority for defense, not blocking or sways.

[iverson91]

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Intercept knees need to be more like uppercuts to deal with ducking, TDs, and body shots.

I hit guys with flying knees all the time from by timing the duck uppercut/hook hoping to get atleast a rock maybe even a flash ko but never do. I once landed like 3 in one fight and didn't get a rock from it.

[The Relaxed Guy]

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The ceiling is far from reached and solutions may exist, but there's no debating that sway n pray is the meta online right now. The problem is that it dominates all close range exchanges. The solution would seemingly be to establish range, but this is no easy task in this game. Players can easily close distance and force sway and pray exchanges. Vulnerability is very high as a result and it's not uncommon to see 10 or more health events in a 5 rounder.


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[Find_the_Door]

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Exactly.

Footwork needs to be the priority for defense, not blocking or sways.

What does foot work matter when you make your opponent hit air and it doesn't gas them?

[Phillyboi207]

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What does foot work matter when you make your opponent hit air and it doesn't gas them?

It does

But only off of lunges

The problem is the strikes from sways come out super fast for everyone so all the top guys abuse it to counter.

That and the head movement system is bad since you’re fully committing to movement and it uses no stamina. Makes no sense that a small lunge takes away stamina yet swaying doesnt

[kush land]

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this does not exist in ufc 3 thats why everyone fights inside because theres no reason for them to stop

i cant figure out how to add videos https://gfycat.com/MistyShimmeringAlbertosaurus

i saw this on mma reddit its romero and rockhold fighting just outside the pocket i dont know if its even possible for them to add something like this but they need to

[kush land]

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i just fought joe rogan with wonderboy in unranked and i couldnt keep distance at all he just walked forward duckin throwin uppercuts the scary thing is he wasnt even good and he was still able to just walk me down at ease with ****in joe rogan are u serious theres nothin 2 do i try dashing away that just gets me tired and hes still right in front of me all u can do is stand ur ground and have a uppercut war

[Phillyboi207]

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i just fought joe rogan with wonderboy in unranked and i couldnt keep distance at all he just walked forward duckin throwin uppercuts the scary thing is he wasnt even good and he was still able to just walk me down at ease with ****in joe rogan are u serious theres nothin 2 do i try dashing away that just gets me tired and hes still right in front of me all u can do is stand ur ground and have a uppercut war

Footwork should impact distance covered during sways/moving strikes.