Sway And Pray. Let's Talk About This.

[Boiler569]

Re: Sway And Pray. Let's Talk About This.

In Fight Night I loved using head movement as Frazier and Marvin Hagler

In this game...I don't even try. Because I don't want to get sucked into the sway and pray fest of Division 5 as you mention lol super lame IMO

I've found some success and ways to counter sway and prayers but all it takes is for them to catch you once or twice --- and if they're able to perform 30 bob & weave / Uppercut combos per round without losing an appreciable amount of stamina ---- well...yea

Hopefully some patching will fix things up. I think head movement should be a very legitimate tactic and I hope to incorporate it into my game at some point. But for now it's pretty much Cheese in my opinion so I'm staying away, even though it was my bread & butter in fight night (and also a big tool of mine in UFC 2 --- back lean at least lol)

[Phillyboi207]

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What would be your solution to said problem? Im genuinely curious

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Swaying should use stamina

Would lower the power on the strikes and make you more vulnerable.

Plus if you spam it you’ll get tired

[Serengeti1]

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What would be your solution to said problem? Im genuinely curious

That's why I made the thread. For ideas to be thrown out there by other people.

Because I'm not too sure. The blocking obviously needs to be changed, but other than that, no idea has me really sold.

[kush land]

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Countering a uppercut should cause equal damage to the duckin uppercut the uppercut is OP i think u rarely see uppercuts in MMA its a dangerous punch to throw isn't it and counter body shots that aren't lunging should do major body damage?

[Boiler569]

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A couple solutions for the 'forward moving sways' (Bob & Weave) --- which IMO seem to cause the most trouble:

1) More Body Damage Vulnerability if caught with a body strike mid-sway (especially a kick or knee)

Speaking of which, sometimes these Bob & Weaves will 'side step' a knee to the body...what's up with that?

2) Lower Grapple Advantage for Clinch Defense/TDD --- if this is already in the equation, it needs to be increased (i.e. if you Bob & Weave right into a perfectly timed takedown --- you should probably be going for a ride)

3) Slight permanent stamina drain for forward-moving Bob & Weave. Maybe like 0.2% of your perm stamina for each B&W

So if you are 'reasonable' and do maybe....10 of these per round...that's only 2.0% of your stamina per round, not too bad probably a good balance

If you are a cheezing scumbag and do 40 of these per round....you'll gas halfway thru 2nd round as it probably should be. ESPECIALLY if you are just firing off uppercuts/hooks each time you do a Bob & Weave without considering the consequencies

i.e. Sway & Pray

[chia]

Re: Sway And Pray. Let's Talk About This.

A couple solutions for the 'forward moving sways' (Bob & Weave) --- which IMO seem to cause the most trouble:

1) More Body Damage Vulnerability if caught with a body strike mid-sway (especially a kick or knee)

Speaking of which, sometimes these Bob & Weaves will 'side step' a knee to the body...what's up with that?

2) Lower Grapple Advantage for Clinch Defense/TDD --- if this is already in the equation, it needs to be increased (i.e. if you Bob & Weave right into a perfectly timed takedown --- you should probably be going for a ride)

3) Slight permanent stamina drain for forward-moving Bob & Weave. Maybe like 0.2% of your perm stamina for each B&W

So if you are 'reasonable' and do maybe....10 of these per round...that's only 2.0% of your stamina per round, not too bad probably a good balance

If you are a cheezing scumbag and do 40 of these per round....you'll gas halfway thru 2nd round as it probably should be. ESPECIALLY if you are just firing off uppercuts/hooks each time you do a Bob & Weave without considering the consequencies

i.e. Sway & Pray

A lot of this goes back to how broken the Stamina system is currently. Not having certain aspects of fighting in game drain any Stamina while other aspects just drain you instantly. Such as shooting a double leg and getting stuffed is draining far less Stamina than getting denied on a Half Guard pass which is just 100% incorrect.

[RetractedMonkey]

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I don’t know why this topic wasn’t closed to be honest, this is a copy of my topic without any suggestions, no offense. Luckily GPD read through that one before it was derailed.


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[Serengeti1]

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A couple solutions for the 'forward moving sways' (Bob & Weave) --- which IMO seem to cause the most trouble:

1) More Body Damage Vulnerability if caught with a body strike mid-sway (especially a kick or knee)

Speaking of which, sometimes these Bob & Weaves will 'side step' a knee to the body...what's up with that?

2) Lower Grapple Advantage for Clinch Defense/TDD --- if this is already in the equation, it needs to be increased (i.e. if you Bob & Weave right into a perfectly timed takedown --- you should probably be going for a ride)

3) Slight permanent stamina drain for forward-moving Bob & Weave. Maybe like 0.2% of your perm stamina for each B&W

So if you are 'reasonable' and do maybe....10 of these per round...that's only 2.0% of your stamina per round, not too bad probably a good balance

If you are a cheezing scumbag and do 40 of these per round....you'll gas halfway thru 2nd round as it probably should be. ESPECIALLY if you are just firing off uppercuts/hooks each time you do a Bob & Weave without considering the consequencies

i.e. Sway & Pray

I think all of these ideas make sense. Would be very curious to know what GPD thinks about them. These on top of a block nerf would be interesting. That said, I wonder if inside fighting would be nerfed too much at that point. If it's very fine tuned it could work though I reckon. I would also love to see body vulnerability introduced in the game.

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It's not possible to hurt the body right now unless you spam body shots or hit them when they have low stamina. If somebody is ducking and focused on dodging punches... The body should be vulnerable. As shown above. I'm not asking for every shot to be a crazy one shot KO but more damage should definitely be done.

[kush land]

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just stationary body shots should do major damage lunging body shots are much easier 2 throw and so much uglier

[Morgan Monkman]

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Really sick of countering guys leaning forward and not being able to finish them brcause of the way they fall. Smh

[Boiler569]

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I don’t know why this topic wasn’t closed to be honest, this is a copy of my topic without any suggestions, no offense. Luckily GPD read through that one before it was derailed.


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it's so broken it deserves two threads I suppose

[TheShizNo1]

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I don’t know why this topic wasn’t closed to be honest, this is a copy of my topic without any suggestions, no offense. Luckily GPD read through that one before it was derailed.


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Was actually looking for that thread so I could close this or just merge them but couldn't find it so thought I imagined it. What's the link?

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[The Relaxed Guy]

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What would be your solution to said problem? Im genuinely curious

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That's the thing... it's hard to really think of a solution to this. It's not necessarily an exploit, it's just an unfortunate flaw that's arisen from an otherwise beautifully designed striking system.

But there's no denying that if you're exchanging on the feet, you're either using sway n pray or you're getting demolished.

It's possible this is because the ceiling hasn't been reached yet and we all need to get better, but it's undeniably the meta right now.


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[Nugget7211]

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That's the thing... it's hard to really think of a solution to this. It's not necessarily an exploit, it's just an unfortunate flaw that's arisen from an otherwise beautifully designed striking system.

But there's no denying that if you're exchanging on the feet, you're either using sway n pray or you're getting demolished.

It's possible this is because the ceiling hasn't been reached yet and we all need to get better, but it's undeniably the meta right now.


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I think it's also possible that the intermittent, bug related armour is making it worse than it otherwise would be. Like, it seems like about 30% of the time (Just throwing a number out, haven't done any testing), stationary head movement will just let you ignore the hit reaction from some strikes, which makes landing the next strike in the combination rough and allowing them to counter into an unintended window.

I'd like to see that fixed before we see any nerfs to the actual head movement mechanics.

[Phillyboi207]

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I think it's also possible that the intermittent, bug related armour is making it worse than it otherwise would be. Like, it seems like about 30% of the time (Just throwing a number out, haven't done any testing), stationary head movement will just let you ignore the hit reaction from some strikes, which makes landing the next strike in the combination rough and allowing them to counter into an unintended window.

I'd like to see that fixed before we see any nerfs to the actual head movement mechanics.

The strike out of the sway is waaay too OP

Even if you dont dodge it comes out super fast and does mad damage