Sway And Pray. Let's Talk About This.

[zeric]

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I dont think this is as big of a problem as people are making it out to be. There are far more pressing issues and i think this is something that wont be as much of an issue as the game progresses and people continue to learn how to play.

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[Phillyboi207]

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I dont think this is as big of a problem as people are making it out to be. There are far more pressing issues and i think this is something that wont be as much of an issue as the game progresses and people continue to learn how to play.

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All the high level players(the best players at the game) utilize it

It’s clearly an issue.

[kush land]

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[QUOTE=zeric;2049230808]I dont think this is as big of a problem as people are making it out to be. There are far more pressing issues and i think this is something that wont be as much of an issue as the game progresses and people continue to learn how to play.

Then u must be duckin and uppercuting all day long if its not a problem 4 you or ur just wrestle ****in everybody?

[zeric]

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No actually i think people just aren't good at countering sways with their own strikes.

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[zeric]

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All the high level players(the best players at the game) utilize it

It’s clearly an issue.

Its an issue because high level players utilize it? Isnt the head movement meant to be utilized?

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[zeric]

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All the high level players(the best players at the game) utilize it

It’s clearly an issue.

Because ive seen top players EXPLOITING other issues. If you think the head swaying is the biggest issue right now you are sadly sadly mistaken

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[Sivo]

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a possible solution(not sure if its been mentioned before) is to make bodyshots hit stamina allot more when ppl are using headmovement, makes sense to me that if you are concentrating on dodging headshots then bodyshots should do loads more damage. ppl saying just use proper shots, if u try to react with reflexes theres a good chance u gonna miss and get caught depend on lag, i have to try and predict when they're gonna duck or weave and pre emptivly throw a shot and the trade off between catching them and them catching u seems to much in the favour of the headmovement ppl. Not all mma fighters are lomoachenko, in fact u can make a good argument than only a handful of fighters should be able to move like this or even slip shots properly, wheres the realism.
edit: i'm finding its when you get to the 4th fight or the championship fights where u see this allot more

[Abstrakt fists]

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No actually i think people just aren't good at countering sways with their own strikes.

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I counter them like crazy and outland them by 20+ strikes a round and then they get one lucky sway uppercut and I am rocked/out. In a game that takes like 50 normal strikes to do any damage all the one shot rock/ko moves are way OP.

[bcruise]

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I'm rather enjoying this current meta, at least in Div 4. Sways and those quick lunging ducks (unless timed perfectly to hit a very small window) get cracked by crosses and stationary ducks get wrecked by uppercuts. Most people I've fought in div 4 telegraph those moves from here to next week when they're moving in (plus it's often their first move before they ever throw a punch in an exchange) and it's extremely easy to counter them before a punch comes in. If I get caught on the wrong side of that 50/50 I'll take damage, but I'll be doing a lot more if they get caught in the middle of their move (even more so with ducking into uppercuts or if they're swaying to the side they get hit on).

I don't know what it's like in Div 5 regarding this, but that's been my experience lately.

[zeric]

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I counter them like crazy and outland them by 20+ strikes a round and then they get one lucky sway uppercut and I am rocked/out. In a game that takes like 50 normal strikes to do any damage all the one shot rock/ko moves are way OP.

Maybe your right? But i dont think nerfing sway counters is the answer. Maybe we just buff the standing strikes so that you dont have to sway to do good counter damage?


Id like to see an issue like this get fixed without taking away more options from players.

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[Serengeti1]

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I dont think this is as big of a problem as people are making it out to be. There are far more pressing issues and i think this is something that wont be as much of an issue as the game progresses and people continue to learn how to play.

Strongly disagree. If the game stayed how it is now... This wouldn't change. Certain things about how people play would change but many, many fights would be won by this dice roll. It's not complex enough for it to change.

The complexity of it goes about this far.... You can bait someone into ducking and throwing an uppercut by swaying and throwing a hook and vice versa. The video below is me fighting (at the time) a top 10 guy. Think he's like 20 now. In the sequence before the finish and where he rocks me... He spams hooks at my guard... baiting me to duck and upper. Which I do. I noticed it though and the next time he did it I swayed and threw a hook. When you're in game tho these reads are much harder to make. Especially when someone is varying them a lot. This sway contest was actually quite slow paced compared to usual. The blocking while staring at each other allows us to go at our own pace. I'm Jacare btw.

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Because ive seen top players EXPLOITING other issues. If you think the head swaying is the biggest issue right now you are sadly sadly mistaken

I didn't say it was an exploit. But that's kinda why it's scarier. The exploits will for sure get patched eventually. This may remain the way the stand up is often played.

this does not exist in ufc 3 thats why everyone fights inside because theres no reason for them to stop

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i saw this on mma reddit its romero and rockhold fighting just outside the pocket i dont know if its even possible for them to add something like this but they need to

That's how most fights look. There's distance between the two fighters. And if there are inside exchanges, they're in and out. They're certainly not just standing in the pocket.

[zeric]

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This is a problem, yes. But like i said "i dont think this is as big of a problem as people are making it out to be" which i still think is true.

Basically what i want to be known is that a NERF shouldn't be needed. Just buff nonsway counters against players who are swaying? That and i think there is desperate need to rework block. Its insanely effective when just standing right in front of someone. But that might be because the body punches, they needed to be tuned down, but it was overdone and now you can just hug high block in front of your opponent.

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[zeric]

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What would be your solution to said problem? Im genuinely curious

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[zeric]

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I like the feedback but if it isnt constructive and we aren't providing possible solutions its no good. Thats how we end up with unbalanced gameplay lol

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[Abstrakt fists]

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Maybe your right? But i dont think nerfing sway counters is the answer. Maybe we just buff the standing strikes so that you dont have to sway to do good counter damage?


Id like to see an issue like this get fixed without taking away more options from players.

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By nerfing I just mean lower the power of the strike not take away the option. If it didnt flash rock me everytime and get my long term head stamina a quarter of the way down I wouldnt mind it. I just get frustrated outstriking my opponent the whole match just for their one strike to do more damage than my 100 strikes.