Sway And Pray. Let's Talk About This.

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Glad to see Martial on board with those changes

The more GCs in the Devs ears about this type of stuff the greater the chances of it getting fixed

With our test as well stationary damage is so low, even without headmovement. And to add to martials the sidelunges need somework, like the horse riding stance or open stance most mobile fighters use to evade pressure needs to be an option.

[johnmangala]

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Footwork really needs to be the priority in terms of defense. Right now footwork is less effective than high block or sways at defense.

[johnmangala]

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Also the flick lunges need to cover more distance.

[mannyonelover]

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The system was created this way there’s no way to really change it it takes a microsecond for you to see the set up animation so swaying is the only viable option, for them to change this they would have to slow the game down, immensely, which will ruin the game even further, The game at this point is what it is.... you’re asking the developers to re-create this game in whole with all its issues right now..... at this point I can care less about online I just want to game to be fun off-line.... with the first patch... if not oh well it is what it is......
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[TheGentlemanGhost]

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I basically start flailing left and right hook combos. If they are at a distance, leg kicks are more powerful too if they are swaying towards you as well. But those hooks can get the job done, I just wish there was a way to almost guarantee it more with these clowns that just want to get right in your face and spam ridiculous swaying strikes. It's still very annoying to deal with though.

[zeric]

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Also the flick lunges need to cover more distance.

Dont let kenetic see this

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[johnmangala]

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Dont let kenetic see this

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Haha why is that?

[ZombieRommel]

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In Fight Night I loved using head movement as Frazier and Marvin Hagler

In this game...I don't even try. Because I don't want to get sucked into the sway and pray fest of Division 5 as you mention lol super lame IMO

I've found some success and ways to counter sway and prayers but all it takes is for them to catch you once or twice --- and if they're able to perform 30 bob & weave / Uppercut combos per round without losing an appreciable amount of stamina ---- well...yea

Hopefully some patching will fix things up. I think head movement should be a very legitimate tactic and I hope to incorporate it into my game at some point. But for now it's pretty much Cheese in my opinion so I'm staying away, even though it was my bread & butter in fight night (and also a big tool of mine in UFC 2 --- back lean at least lol)

Yeah, I am absolutely astounded at how many slipping power shots people are able to throw and miss without getting winded.

Right now in ranked, I find myself often playing a matador style where someone with Ferguson / Diaz / Whittaker is holding high block until they're in range, charging me down, and then going absolutely ham with the head movement strikes.

Thing is, through sheer range management, I'm making them miss close to 50% of those slipping power shots, and their stamina BARELY goes down.

Basically, the game is enabling players to implement a Mike Tyson-esque strategy (which he needed to pull off in 1-2 rounds if he was going to do it successfully) throughout the entire fight. So the frenetic bobbing and weaving combined with hooks and uppercuts is something that many fighters in the game can do non-stop from bell to bell, and the only thing mitigating their bull rush is if you play that same dice roll game and manage to slip counter THEM and rock them.

But as far as employing a SAFE way to beat this strategy, there isn't any.

So needless to say I have voiced to GPD that I think people can do this strat with impunity for too sustained a time frame. And that's even if you make a point to go to these guys' bodies to try to gas them faster.

[Serengeti1]

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This is me fighting the former number 1 guy. He's now top 5 but I'm sure he'll go up and down as that's how the leaderboards work right now.

He basically abuses the stationary head movement sways. He's definitely skilled with the current system as in hitting the sway and counter faster than you but it's such BS. He was also just super lucky in our fights in guessing the right sway. Watching it back gets me heated lol.

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Here are four fights of him trashing me in the first round... I can definitely beat him (as shown by me knocking him down and catching him with sway counters too... all luck as well) but he has also got the muscle memory down better than any other player I've faced. Playing him kind of felt like Call Of Duty because it was nearly all reaction time and who was faster. No thinking involved. No strategy. It sucks. There was more strategy and thinking involved in UFC 2. Don't get me wrong the striking system is better in this game but sway counters on the inside are currently making it incredibly mundane.

[aliojin]

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I feel in UFC 2 we had de back sway, and if the opponent fails a punch in the face the body kick is letal. Now the back sway is useless because only works to avoid the first punch, you eat the second, and there is not strong counter.

[ryangil23]

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You know what, I honestly think UFC 2 is better. All this game is is swaying and throwing hooks and upper cutting when they try to go to the body. That's pretty much it striking wise apart from darting in with 1-2s to stop kicks

[Morgan Monkman]

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Ufc 2 you could actually time your striking and catch guys, seems like UFC 3 has turned into who ever leans the fastest and lands the punch.

Sad. I wish i waited to play ranked for at least a number of patches.

[bmlimo]

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Ufc 2 you could actually time your striking and catch guys, seems like UFC 3 has turned into who ever leans the fastest and lands the punch.

Sad. I wish i waited to play ranked for at least a number of patches.

I knew this would happen so im using other account so much exploit makes me sad

[Morgan Monkman]

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I knew this would happen so im using other account so much exploit makes me sad

I haven't been able to play as much due to work and man, i am sick of encountering cheese for the first time and learning to deal with it the hard way haha.

[bram]

Re: Blocking and moving your head at the same time

Agreed but it should be hard to pull off. Signature block stuff for some fighters.