The strongest punishment to side sway spam

[Serengeti1]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

If the gamechangers can punish these tactics easily, then why can't the guys complaining about it? That's what i don't understand.

Arguing realism is one thing, but when arguing about balance...there are counters out there, numerous ones. If they think its too hard to counter these tactics then lets just patch an easy button into the game so that when you press it, the tactic is stopped 100% of the time....

We should probably slow the roll until they tell us what the strategy is first and show it in video, no? Nobody said easily either.

[Zeta Reticulan1]

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Serengeti and a few others are the only ones complaining though. So we don't know for a fact that this represents the thoughts of all of the top players. It's possible that other top players have already figured out what the GCs did.

[AlEx3KillA]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

We should probably slow the roll until they tell us what the strategy is first and show it in video, no? Nobody said easily either.

I heard bolt can run 100 meters in 9 seconds why you cant do it too? thats the logic there

[AlEx3KillA]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Serengeti and a few others are the only ones complaining though. So we don't know for a fact that this represents the thoughts of all of the top players. It's possible that other top players have already figured out what the GCs did.

all people complain on sways not consuming stamina from day 1 and many threads have been made.The devs fixed things we never asked for but they dont care for real stuff that changes the game for real

[Serengeti1]

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Serengeti and a few others are the only ones complaining though. So we don't know for a fact that this represents the thoughts of all of the top players. It's possible that other top players have already figured out what the GCs did.

It's totally possible. But what they're suggesting might be a fix to certain tactics but not others. Or they might not actually create real balance. Are these tactics going to make leading with the jab not useless? Highly doubt it. But once again, am open. Let's leave the jury out before we jump to conclusions.

The people that are saying it's okay are mainly offline players who are worried it's going to effect their time with the game. Or players that aren't even in division 5. Let alone top 100.

[AlEx3KillA]

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Also the head movement is a counter how you expect us to counter a counter when the game is a imput lag mess without even adding the net lag. ALL THE EXAMPLES MADE IN THIS THREAD ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO LEAD WITH THE SWAYS THE NOOBS THE GOOD ONES MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE IN MATRIX COUNTERING AS YOU STRIKE

[Serengeti1]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Also bear in mind that everyone here I've asked to play test with me has ignored my invitation. I have no intention of doing unfair testing.

[AlEx3KillA]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

GPD dont gets that good head movers dont lead with it like in his video they wait you to throw and counter you in that moment rocking you or knocking you out and you CANT COUNTER THAT addint that they spam it and is stamina free wow the most OP thing in the game

[GameplayDevUFC]

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I agree. But what about these two...



In the above GIF... Maidana anticipates Floyd's pull counter and lands his rear hand despite getting his jab swayed.



In the above GIF... Floyd pulls the jab... Lands the pull counter.... And then slips a second time out of anticipation by ducking and slips the rear hand. These sequences don't happen in game because once the jab is slipped... You've lost the exchange. And since it's so easy to do... You'll be losing a lot of exchanges by leading with the jab. Can't we expect them to move their head twice if they don't want to get caught with the rear hand? If the argument is that it's too complex for MMA... then the head movement shouldn't be the primary system if it's not going to be balanced correctly.

I'm sure you'll just dismiss these as well, but it's just a lot faster for me to make the videos in the test environment.

If nothing else this shows these things are possible.

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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/B60a39pvxrw" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I know the first one doesn't flow as well as your example, but the result is very similar.

Investigating this lead me to a possible change I could make to have it flow better though. End result is what matters though and the counter cannot be blocked.

[Phillyboi207]

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GPD dont gets that good head movers dont lead with it like in his video they wait you to throw and counter you in that moment rocking you or knocking you out and you CANT COUNTER THAT addint that they spam it and is stamina free wow the most OP thing in the game

that’s not a problem. We arent looking to punish good players. That’s your fault for always committing to a strike. You should be throwing feints.

[AlEx3KillA]

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that’s not a problem. We arent looking to punish good players. That’s your fault for always committing to a strike. You should be throwing feints.

yea gis my foult tha game has no stamina tax on an action while it does for other defensive ones like lounges and yea im the only one seeing all fights go the same way with people moving around like rabbits

[Morgan Monkman]

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Also bear in mind that everyone here I've asked to play test with me has ignored my invitation. I have no intention of doing unfair testing.

whats your PSn ID add me so we can test stuff my id is in sig

[AlEx3KillA]

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i spam head movement too but at least im ashamed of it and admit its cheese right now as its a tax free thing and does nothing to my stamina also chaining togheter slips and ducks after they strike means is impossible to be hit with anything

[Serengeti1]

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I'm sure you'll just dismiss these as well, but it's just a lot faster for me to make the videos in the test environment.

If nothing else this shows these things are possible.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cl7AVAgFfHs" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/B60a39pvxrw" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I know the first one doesn't flow as well as your example, but the result is very similar.

Investigating this lead me to a possible change I could make to have it flow better though. End result is what matters though and the counter cannot be blocked.

Both of these examples are possible in game. Difficult. But possible.

However, the point of me showing those two gifs was just to show that you should be able to follow up with the jab despite it being slipped. Which neither of your videos show an example of. The reason I showed the second GIF is because it answers the problem of needing the recovery frames to land the counter. If someone is following up the jab... I don't see why we can't expect them to move their head twice to evade the second strike. Would bring much more complexity to gameplay.

I guess the problem is then that if the player throws like a three strike combination.. It'd be hard to deal with and that's where it gets more complicated. What if the recovery frames increase with the amount of strikes you slip? Nothing crazy but idk. Or what if you have to time the head movement better to get more recovery frames allowing a free counter?

[AlEx3KillA]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

They added stamina Tax on everything knockdowns included but not on the most spammed and important thing in the game the head movement! WTF