The strongest punishment to side sway spam

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Those suggestions might work in a test enviroment but like anything in the real world conditions always change and what works in the testing room won't exaactly work as well in practice...

[Serengeti1]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Guys. Look at this dude's post and compare it to mine. The similarities are uncanny. This is EXACTLY the cheese I'm talking about. This strategy makes the jab useless.

My post - https://forums.operationsports.com/f...y-spam-41.html

His - https://forums.operationsports.com/f...a-ufc-3-a.html

[AlEx3KillA]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

If They dont put stamina on head movement this game is trash maybe noobs dont know it but after division 5 you cant counter in any way the head movement spammers the hook never does any damage to theyr slips even if you catch them

[aholbert32]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I just wanna point out that UFC 2 and Fight Night Champion(which is so beloved by most people here)....did NOT have any stamina tax on stationary head movement. None.

All of a sudden people want defense to be nerfed so their opponents will be easier to hit.

If any stamina tax is added, im fine with it being rapid fire head movement that's not slipping any punches. But not a simple singular slip that's done in spaced out situations.

I think thats where it will land (I dont know for sure though). I dont think anyone is asking for them to nerf simple slips in response to strikes. Im just sick of everyone looking like ****ing Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson and moving their head for the sole reason to load up on counter hooks.

[kraken79]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I know I'm not active on this forum but I've been lurking for a while.

I share a lot of the grievances that Serengeti has. There is literally nothing that I can do when a fighter is constantly pressing me swaying side to side. I thought the jab to the high block would be great for keeping distance but it seems to have made things worse as people bypass it by swaying now. I can't throw kicks because they are constantly in my face. Even throwing hooks as they are swaying barely do any damage and a lot of the time doesn't even stun them as they come straight back with the spam hooks or an uppercut.

I honestly don't know anything about how games are made and don't really have anything to add regarding the stamina loss for head movement but I think something has to be done about the sheer volume of strikes that people can throw. A fighter should not be able to stalk you for 3 straight rounds whilst constantly swaying and throwing and not be at a severe stamina disadvantage.

I can't put my finger on it but I found it much easier and much more common to fight at distance before the patch. Perhaps it was because a well timed slip/counter would result in at least 2 powerful strikes to the opponent and put them off from blindly following you.

I played over 150 fights before the patch and significantly less since. The patch has made online extremely tedious and borderline unplayable for me.

The offline AI seems to have got better though, so I think I will be mostly playing offline until more changes are pushed through.

Thanks for the updates GamePlayDev, you're work is not going unnoticed and hopefully you are coming up with some great changes to counteract a lot of what is happening at the moment.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

The game doesn't even have fatigued head movement animations. The lunges do tho.

It does have fatigued head movement animations and they are also the ones that play when you're rocked.

[johnmangala]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

It does have fatigued head movement animations and they are also the ones that play when you're rocked.

My bad I mean like when you are gassed. When you are straight gassed there aren't any like for lunges.

It would be good if those could extend to fatigued fighters as well.

[EarvGotti]

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Correct me if im wrong, but the argument seems to have went in another direction as the thread went on.

It started out with counter punching after a sway being the main gripe that everyone had....now it seems that the main argument is just sways in general(even if a strike isn't thrown after one).

The one problem i have with sways that everyone seems to be overlooking is the amount of stamina they drain on the opponent. Remember, GPD said evaded strikes have the most stamina drain out of anything in the game. I went in practice mode and had the CPU sway a few of my jabs and the stamina drain i got was insane.

I think the stamina drain that a successful sway causes should be lowered a bit. Lunges should causes the biggest stamina drain...this would encourage people to use footwork more often. Since you are staying stationary with sways....the stamina drain from a successful one shouldn't be too large. That is my only problem with sways at the moment. Not the counter strike afterwards, not the frame window slight freeze when an opponent successfully slips your strike(as GPD said you can block or slip/move right after you get your strike slipped so its not OP)....but the fact that sways cause too much stamina drain especially if a simple jab is slipped.

[Serengeti1]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Correct me if im wrong, but the argument seems to have went in another direction as the thread went on.

It started out with counter punching after a sway being the main gripe that everyone had....now it seems that the main argument is just sways in general(even if a strike isn't thrown after one).

The one problem i have with sways that everyone seems to be overlooking is the amount of stamina they drain on the opponent. Remember, GPD said evaded strikes have the most stamina drain out of anything in the game. I went in practice mode and had the CPU sway a few of my jabs and the stamina drain i got was insane.

I think the stamina drain that a successful sway causes should be lowered a bit. Lunges should causes the biggest stamina drain...this would encourage people to use footwork more often. Since you are staying stationary with sways....the stamina drain from a successful one shouldn't be too large. That is my only problem with sways at the moment. Not the counter strike afterwards, not the frame window slight freeze when an opponent successfully slips your strike(as GPD said you can block or slip/move right after you get your strike slipped so its not OP)....but the fact that sways cause too much stamina drain especially if a simple jab is slipped.

How is it not OP when a guy can shutdown all my offence by constantly swaying? I can't punish it. It ruins the fun completely and takes away the control from the player.

[johnmangala]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

So idk apparently even the head movement when rocked is barely discernable from the standard one imo. It's just a bit slower, especially stationary. The moving ones are alright.

[Seymorslash]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

With all this complaining about head movement, it's becoming apparent that most of you guys just simply aren't hitters, and don't want to adapt to your opponent. There are so many options to counter sways: Mixing up combo's, baiting them out with feints/jabs and getting the pull counter, mixing in takedowns, spinning ****, working their body to reduce the speed of their sways.




Morale of the mini paragraph: Mixing up your riddum, letting your hands go, and most importantly keeping it nice and flowy, and staying patient, are the keys to countering a one-dimensional strategy.

[johnmangala]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Git gud seems to be the standard defense.

[Nugget7211]

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Git gud seems to be the standard defense.

You're talking about balance on an internet forum, whether you're right or wrong you're going to get a bunch of "Git gud" responses, you just are. Comes with the territory.

[AlEx3KillA]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

You're talking about balance on an internet forum, whether you're right or wrong you're going to get a bunch of "Git gud" responses, you just are. Comes with the territory.

Good luck trying to hit a good head mover they chain head movement in combination just like cheese combos without stamina drain and knock you out in one punch,get real you are a head movement spammer if you defend it

[johnmangala]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

You're talking about balance on an internet forum, whether you're right or wrong you're going to get a bunch of "Git gud" responses, you just are. Comes with the territory.

There's no surprise. It is what it is.

I am angling from realism not really competition. Serengeti and other high ranked players have that covered good.