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  • jamesbenz1993
    Rookie
    • Jan 2018
    • 83

    #421
    Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

    How can you even sway in a phone booth there’s no room, you get half a second to breath with this “distance” jab then you’re back in the sway booth

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    • Serengeti1
      MVP
      • Mar 2016
      • 1720

      #422
      Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

      Originally posted by Phillyboi207
      You are doing the Lord’s work my man
      It's looking pretty good bro. It's looking good. A bunch of people also now have to agree though lol. Was definitely a productive discussion. My main concern is whether the devs think the problems are worth trying to tackle in fear of hurting balance in other ways. I've given my opinion though (as most of us have in this thread). I really think there are a few select areas that are problematic enough that they really should be looked into and tweaked.
      Last edited by Serengeti1; 03-08-2018, 03:59 PM.

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      • RetractedMonkey
        MVP
        • Dec 2017
        • 1624

        #423
        Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

        The overhand counter in the original post is almost 100% effective every time, but it either doesn't work against ducks or doesn't work against them when they chain another sway after the initial counter. I haven't figured it out yet.

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        • davidwarej
          Rookie
          • Nov 2011
          • 17

          #424
          Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

          <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/YyJOHCRHjIk" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

          Smh he should have got rocked

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          • kush land
            Banned
            • May 2016
            • 443

            #425
            Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

            He did move away from the kick and it kinda hit hes shoulder?

            nevermind it hit him but hes head is moving away i think it should have done more damage.
            Last edited by kush land; 03-08-2018, 05:02 PM.

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            • Serengeti1
              MVP
              • Mar 2016
              • 1720

              #426
              Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

              Btw if there are doubts when the footage is reviewed about anything... I'm always down to do it and change the variables (like fighters or tactics). I'd be happy to discuss it further too if need be. Just putting that out there.
              Last edited by Serengeti1; 03-08-2018, 05:50 PM.

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              • EarvGotti
                MVP
                • Nov 2009
                • 2249

                #427
                Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                So after spending my first full day playing since the patch dropped, i can genuinely say that i agree head movement spam is still a bit too effective. The counters I found work sometimes, but the risk for constant swaying is still not enough.

                You can spam head movement rapidly with very little risk...but if you spam it 100 times and get 1 or 2 counter punches in, it can be a big reward. I can admit when i'm not right and have to change my outlook on something. Head movement can be punished....but i now agree that the risk of spamming it is just way too little.
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                SF) Sapphire Scottie Pippen
                PF) '95-'96 Dennis Rodman
                C) Hakeem Olajuwon

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                • Phillyboi207
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2012
                  • 3159

                  #428
                  Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                  Originally posted by EarvGotti
                  So after spending my first full day playing since the patch dropped, i can genuinely say that i agree head movement spam is still a bit too effective. The counters I found work sometimes, but the risk for constant swaying is still not enough.

                  You can spam head movement rapidly with very little risk...but if you spam it 100 times and get 1 or 2 counter punches in, it can be a big reward. I can admit when i'm not right and have to change my outlook on something. Head movement can be punished....but i now agree that the risk of spamming it is just way too little.
                  Welcome to the dark side my friend

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                  • AlEx3KillA
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2018
                    • 224

                    #429
                    Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                    GPD keep in mind that if you do any other change to head movement like making counters slower instead of the stamina tax you will ruin the game making headmovement and countering useless to use

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                    • Morgan Monkman
                      North of 60
                      • Apr 2016
                      • 1385

                      #430
                      Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                      <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gssa5jLU0KU" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                      Please fix this
                      PSNID: B_A_N_E

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                      • AlEx3KillA
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2018
                        • 224

                        #431
                        Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                        Originally posted by Morgan Monkman
                        <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gssa5jLU0KU" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                        Please fix this
                        Thats why this game is unfair

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                        • EarvGotti
                          MVP
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 2249

                          #432
                          Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                          Originally posted by Morgan Monkman
                          <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gssa5jLU0KU" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                          Please fix this
                          Yeah that's pretty bad. Very little risk for such a big reward.

                          I wish the recovery frames were much larger for a blocked sway punch. That way if you see someone spamming it, you can simply block and they won't be able to move/strike/block or slip again for at least 1 full second after their punch is blocked. Then you are guaranteed to land 2 punches and counter them. That would discourage people from abusing it.

                          I'm curious to hear what solution Martial Mind and ZombieRommel came up with though.
                          Lineup:
                          PG) Gary Payton
                          SG) '95-'96 Michael Jordan
                          SF) Sapphire Scottie Pippen
                          PF) '95-'96 Dennis Rodman
                          C) Hakeem Olajuwon

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                          • dfab14
                            Rookie
                            • Jun 2016
                            • 229

                            #433
                            Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                            Originally posted by Serengeti95
                            Also bear in mind that everyone here I've asked to play test with me has ignored my invitation. I have no intention of doing unfair testing.
                            Psn gamer tag dennisreardanz I'm free tomorrow after 5 central time USA

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                            • AlEx3KillA
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2018
                              • 224

                              #434
                              Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam
                              Originally posted by EarvGotti
                              Yeah that's pretty bad. Very little risk for such a big reward.

                              I wish the recovery frames were much larger for a blocked sway punch. That way if you see someone spamming it, you can simply block and they won't be able to move/strike/block or slip again for at least 1 full second after their punch is blocked. Then you are guaranteed to land 2 punches and counter them. That would discourage people from abusing it.

                              I'm curious to hear what solution Martial Mind and ZombieRommel came up with though.

                              you dont think that with a stamina tax head movements can be used less without ruining theyr power and making them useless? spamming is something done many times...if they do it 30 times and lose all stamina they will stop...
                              Last edited by AlEx3KillA; 03-08-2018, 08:46 PM.

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                              • Serengeti1
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2016
                                • 1720

                                #435
                                Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                                Originally posted by EarvGotti
                                I'm curious to hear what solution Martial Mind and ZombieRommel came up with though.
                                What MM told me was that he showed a video to Kenetic (or maybe in their chat) right after the patch and Kenetic told him he was throwing the jab too much and that he should throw hooks more when they're swaying side to side. I don't know if that was the extent of the work around but that's what he told me. He agreed completely that the jab is UP right now but when we were talking about it raised the concern that if ranked becomes dominated by the jab if it's tweaked... then that would be problematic also. My opinion on that is that you don't want to buff it too much or in the wrong way but it clearly needs adjustments imo.

                                After some playing he seemed to think that the risk/reward on head movement was skewed also and that the punishment on sways is too inconsistent. Also agreed that it was too easy to sway the jab. The tax on stamina for someone who is missing a lot due to head movement spam was very evident too. And the fact that it causes the opponent to lose no stamina despite spamming it.

                                Not sure what's going to come from this or which fixes they'd like to implement most but hopefully we hear something soon.
                                Last edited by Serengeti1; 03-08-2018, 10:24 PM.

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