The strongest punishment to side sway spam

[AlEx3KillA]

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It was in UD3. Wasn't much of an issue then.

Ufc undisputed had a clinch entry when you catch a punch and it worked well....the clinch in this game is unbalanced

[johnmangala]

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Ufc undisputed had a clinch entry when you catch a punch and it worked well....the clinch in this game is unbalanced

Yeah I have been asking for such a thing for a long time.

Clinch parries/catch punch which results in single collar or over/under.

[AlEx3KillA]

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Yeah I have been asking for such a thing for a long time.

Clinch parries/catch punch which results in single collar or over/under.

This would be cool but it dont fixes the head movement spam is just a way to survive it also you cant catch punches if they counter your own punches

[johnmangala]

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This would be cool but it dont fixes the head movement spam is just a way to survive it also you cant catch punches if they counter your own punches

Well if you could catch sway counters you would get them in the clinch.

[Serengeti1]

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That and the vulnerability on some of the sways do feel wonky, I get that from a physics perspective it makes more sense they'd have different vulnerability going back to the centre, but the game isn't as responsive enough to let you time it to hit that sweet spot.

There should sometimes be more vulnerability returning to center but that often isn't seen on screen when the vulnerability is triggered. But there's often times I can sway into something and nothing happens. I agree that the game isn't responsive enough to find the perfect timing for things. It just does not work like that in game at all.

I'm not even that good at the head movement spammy style because it feels dumb to me but I was playing around with it when playing MM... he caught me so many times swaying into something but the vulnerability often doesn't work like it should. Yet it costs me no stamina and ****s his stamina as he's missing. All while the opponent doesn't get the rocks when I sway into something. I then duck/upper KO'd him (his chin health wasn't even that low) after getting hit while swaying into strikes a hundred times.

I don't think you want sways to be too vulnerable but they don't leave you vulnerable enough rn imo.

[johnmangala]

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if they slip one of your punches your fighter will get stuck for a second or so and they got all the time to counter you without you doing nothing thats how slip works they give the one who does them the chance to throw a free strike unblocked

I am not talking about throwing punches.

I am talking about being able to catch sway counters and land up in the clinch.

[AlEx3KillA]

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There should sometimes be more vulnerability returning to center but that often isn't seen on screen when the vulnerability is triggered. But there's often times I can sway into something and nothing happens. I agree that the game isn't responsive enough to find the perfect timing for things. It just does not work like that in game at all.

I'm not even that good at the head movement spammy style because it feels dumb to me but I was playing around with it when playing MM... he caught me so many times swaying into something but the vulnerability often doesn't work like it should. Yet it costs me no stamina and ****s his stamina as he's missing. All while the opponent doesn't get the rocks when I sway into something. I then duck/upper KO'd him (his chin health wasn't even that low) after getting hit while swaying into strikes a hundred times.

I don't think you want sways to be too vulnerable but they don't leave you vulnerable enough rn imo.

You got caught couse you dont use it allot.There is people out there soo good at it that they never get caught

[Serengeti1]

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You got caught couse you dont use it allot.There is people out there soo good at it that they never get caught

We did one game where I just used head movement and he tried to hit me in the head... his stamina was down to roughly the lowest it could go after two rounds of it. He was in my face trying to land uppers/hooks and punish it. Some of them would occasionally hit me as I swayed into them (never got badly hurt tho) but I dodged the majority from what I remember.

The problem is with that is it's risky for the opponent to keep trying to hit someone when they're losing so much stamina... and when they're not even rewarded when they land a strike you sway into... that's an issue. Both areas of the head movement need tuning imo but we'll see what happens.

[EarvGotti]

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We did one game where I just used head movement and he tried to hit me in the head... his stamina was down to roughly the lowest it could go after two rounds of it. He was in my face trying to land uppers/hooks and punish it. Some of them would occasionally hit me as I swayed into them (never got badly hurt tho) but I dodged the majority from what I remember.

The problem is with that is it's risky for the opponent to keep trying to hit someone when they're losing so much stamina... and when they're not even rewarded when they land a strike you sway into... that's an issue. Both areas of the head movement need tuning imo but we'll see what happens.

Was he throwing stationary hooks/uppers and still missing a lot?

[Serengeti1]

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Was he throwing stationary hooks/uppers and still missing a lot?

Yes. In that fight I wasn't trying to strike back tho. I'm not sure if I countered at all really. We both weren't playing like we normally would. It made it pretty clear it was an issue though.

[AlEx3KillA]

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Yes. In that fight I wasn't trying to strike back tho. I'm not sure if I countered at all really. We both weren't playing like we normally would. It made it pretty clear it was an issue though.

The problem with head movement is not only that it dont takes stamina and makes the opponent drain himself also every counter you throw is almost all time a KO or Rock

[Morgan Monkman]

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Just another video fo someone using only says to win a fight, and yes i know, i got sloppy but still.

What's the point of the game at the moment when 8/10 fights are like this??

[Paledude45]

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Just another video fo someone using only says to win a fight, and yes i know, i got sloppy but still.

What's the point of the game at the moment when 8/10 fights are like this??

Ducking/swaying McGregor's are unstoppable bro. I feel bad because you were mixing it up pretty well and landing, yet all he had to do was sway and rock you. I just had a really bad experience with a McGregor timing a fast duck upper and fishing for rocks, it was incredibly annoying. You can't beat McGregor to the punch in this game, he has too much power and his counters are guaranteed rocks.

[Thetruth9012]

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Just another video fo someone using only says to win a fight, and yes i know, i got sloppy but still.

What's the point of the game at the moment when 8/10 fights are like this??

Dont play fw and lw divisions for now its unplayable...

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[MysticJack541]

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I think most of the issues in this game come from the core mechanics. Is it just me, or is the locomotion really slow in general? I feel like everyone is stuck in quick sand, I think this causes the problems with distance management, keeping fighters off of you, or chasing fighters down can be difficult at times (usually against a counter AI on pro).
The lunges aren't snappy and don't cover enough distance. I think if they increased the speed of the locomotion and replaced the current lunges to the ones from EA UFC 2, or something similar that will fix the distance issues.

Now the vulnerability is a whole nother beast to deal with. Clearly there is a problem with head movement and countering. I can't think of a solution that doesn't rehaul the entire headmovement system (which we all know isn't gonna happen).
I think a stamina penalty needs to be taxed on headmovement, and in turn remove stamina tax from rocks or atleast the amount taken. Nerf the damage dealt on sway counters, I mean pretty much any sway counter that lands on any normal strikes causes a significant amount of damage(not to mention it's easy to land them).

In my opinion I think damage and vulnerability is way to jacked up in this game in the first place. I'm 100% all for headkicks, overhands, and any other powerful strikes landing causing a KO or rock/kd, but I think straights, uppercuts, and hooks all cause to many rocks/kd's

Anyway to end this rant, I believe there should be a modifier for hooks, uppers, maybe even straights that allow you to throw it with power, in turn this would cause much more stamina drain, but also increases the likelyhood of a rock/KO/kd, or you could chip away at your opponent with less powerful shots that conserve your stamina over the course of the fight, or mix it up with light and power shots to look for an opening. The reason I suggest this is because it's damn near impossible in this game to go the distance against another skilled player without nearly murdering each other unless you are both specifically trying to.

TLDR: Nerf sway counters, add stamina penalty on headmovement, remove/nerf stamina penalty on rocks, speed up locomotion, remove and replace lunges with EA UFC 2 lunges, add power modifier for general strikes (Straights, hooks, uppers) and in turn nerf vulnerability on regular strikes.

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