The strongest punishment to side sway spam

[MMA Damage]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

LOL ask anyone i play with if i spam headmovement. I am not a fan of headmovement, the only time i use it as the fighters get tired and become easier to do. i love throwing kicks and this meta isnt great for that. But i dont believe a stamina tax is the right way to go.

When u look at headmovement in fights, its more affective as the fight go's on and the opponent becomes more tired and the punches become easier to slip. How does a stamina tax make that possible? the vulnerability for the person using headmovement should be higher if the person attacking has nearly full stamina and the lower their stamina is the less vulneraibilty their is for the person using headmovement. I believe this is much more realistic than just slapping a stamina tax on it.

Just calling someone a spammer because they dont agree with you is very childish and doesnt help the discussion at all

Because adding a stamina tax will not affect people who dont spam it. Slips will still be as affective later in the fight if they don't gas themselves out first. The fact that you lose stamina trying to catch the sway spammer and they don't puts your vulnerability way higher.

Sitting there picking apart a Conor user for the whole fight and the fact that all it still takes for him to win is 1 or 2 shots off a sway even when he's gassed is stupid. If he loses stamina like that, he'd have to pick his sways carefully or just stop doing them by the later rounds.

[Sivo]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

well perhaps reducing the amount of stamina we loose to slips would help then. GPD has stated that he doesn't beileve that stamina tax will have the effect that ppl think it will and i am inclined to believe him as i dont have a good understanding of game design.
I haven't lost faith in the devs it just that once u get 1000 ppl on the game who's only care is how to win the match they find bug/glitches and abuse them and making the same argument about stamina tax for however many pages doesn't seem to be going anywhere other than in circles

[AlEx3KillA]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

well perhaps reducing the amount of stamina we loose to slips would help then. GPD has stated that he doesn't beileve that stamina tax will have the effect that ppl think it will and i am inclined to believe him as i dont have a good understanding of game design.
I haven't lost faith in the devs it just that once u get 1000 ppl on the game who's only care is how to win the match they find bug/glitches and abuse them and making the same argument about stamina tax for however many pages doesn't seem to be going anywhere other than in circles

He added a stamina tax on knockdowns while we been crying for head movement spam from day one spam means that a thing its used too many times.....nothing can fix this other than a stamina tax

[Sivo]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I believe that even with a stamina tax a large percentage of players will still use this as its seem to be the lowest skill, highest reward strategy available and i just don't see a stamina tax changing that for most users

[AlEx3KillA]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I believe that even with a stamina tax a large percentage of players will still use this as its seem to be the lowest skill, highest reward strategy available and i just don't see a stamina tax changing that for most users

Before the stamina patch for strikes we had people spamming 400 strikes a round now the stamina tax fixed this.....it will fix head movement spam too

[Sivo]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Before the stamina patch for strikes we had people spamming 400 strikes a round now the stamina tax fixed this.....it will fix head movement spam too

ye and the devs believed that would work and implemented it and it worked. If they say this is not going to have the desired affect then i tend to believe them. But i see ppl have lost faith with the devs, even tho we have a really fun game outside the top 1000 or so try hard players

[AlEx3KillA]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

ye and the devs believed that would work and implemented it and it worked. If they say this is not going to have the desired affect then i tend to believe them. But i see ppl have lost faith with the devs, even tho we have a really fun game outside the top 1000 or so try hard players

No one is having fun with all the cheese.New players are quitting the game becouse its too hard to counter some type of spammers also the devs will never know if it works or no till they try it

[Sivo]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

from wat i gathered this is just a problem for the top players now? I would be suprised if ppl in div 3 and lower are having these problems as it does take some degree of skill to do. I'm sure i saw something stating that this is only a problem in higher divisions but i could be wrong and even then if it is all online then it is still only a small percentage of the community and a 60+ page thread doesnt mean eveyrone on the game cares as much as we do

[AlEx3KillA]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

from wat i gathered this is just a problem for the top players now? I would be suprised if ppl in div 3 and lower are having these problems as it does take some degree of skill to do. I'm sure i saw something stating that this is only a problem in higher divisions but i could be wrong

Its even worst for low level players becouse spammers are often in the lower divisions they cant reach the top they are bullys who prey on the weak

[Sivo]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Its even worst for low level players becouse spammers are often in the lower divisions they cant reach the top they are bullys who prey on the weak

are you really certain about this? i'm petty sure most on this forum are in the higher divisons and it would be nice to hear from a lower divison, lower skilled player about whether this is truly a problem in lower divison.

They arent bullies, some ppl just get more fun from winning than they do playing the game. I dont agree with this but it is their right when they buy a game to play it how they want.

[MMA Damage]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

from wat i gathered this is just a problem for the top players now? I would be suprised if ppl in div 3 and lower are having these problems as it does take some degree of skill to do. I'm sure i saw something stating that this is only a problem in higher divisions but i could be wrong and even then if it is all online then it is still only a small percentage of the community and a 60+ page thread doesnt mean eveyrone on the game cares as much as we do

If its not a problem then why is 99% of the posts here complaining about it? If you're not even top 1000 on this already dying game then you really don't have an argument then.

[Sivo]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

If its not a problem then why is 99% of the posts here complaining about it? If you're not even top 1000 on this already dying game then you really don't have an argument then.

my statement was in relation to this being a problem for just the top players and that it may not affect ppl outside the top players and u throw if i'm not inside the top 1000 i dont have an argument, did u even read the statement u quoted?

[AlEx3KillA]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

are you really certain about this? i'm petty sure most on this forum are in the higher divisons and it would be nice to hear from a lower divison, lower skilled player about whether this is truly a problem in lower divison.

They arent bullies, some ppl just get more fun from winning than they do playing the game. I dont agree with this but it is their right when they buy a game to play it how they want.

All my friends and me started from low rank and it was worst than in the higher divisions the spammers like to win easily and make fun of who they beat.Also the game needs to be balanced it cant be a far west of cheese where everyone uses the game problems to win

[Serengeti1]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

For now, I truly believe the best counter to the slip spam is to time back lunges when they come in. It gasses them pretty bad. I haven't fully experimented with this yet, but you should be able to tack on a straight or a lead hook to the back lunge if they're in range.

But yeah, if you don't wanna play the rock lotto game, just back lunge them. Evaded slip strikes eat up a crap ton if stamina.

I really don't think head movement when they're standing right next to you is the only issue (still an issue though). I think a lot of it is on the outside as well. Try going in and out with the jab against someone who spams head movement. It's so silly. As far as lunging back being a good work around... I doubt it would work against somebody who knows what they're doing. And I mean good Div 5 players who have mastered this strategy.

I hear a lot about "oh it can be countered so it isn't an issue". Does it really matter if it plays like **** and isn't realistic? Like, we want people to play the game right? Inside fighting can be countered by throwing uppers/hooks (AKA being forced to fight there) but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed. It should go deeper than "this can be countered so no fix needed".

I just want all aspects of MMA to be as useful as they are irl. Currently it is not even close to that. If that isn't a problem then I guess we leave the game how it is because it can be "countered". But this is also what is turning a lot of people off from the game.

This isn't directed at you or anything btw. Just trying to say what I think.

[AlEx3KillA]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

No one wants to play a game that is not fair....i remember ufc 2 having allot more players online than this game and there is a reason for this