The strongest punishment to side sway spam

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Thats what kills me. He has indicated that he's open to a stamina tax. The main message in this thread is that a stamina tax is the way to punish the spammy head movement.

So why are we still discussing this?

We are still discussing this because IMO the game is unplayable online, that is if you are looking for any enjoyment and not want to smash your controller.

[aholbert32]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Absolutely not.

It should be that way. It was just to point out all the ways head movement facilitates draining your opponents stamina without having much affect on your own.

(If anything if gives you a positive outcome as you can recover stamina so your sway counters become stronger than average, while draining your opponents)

With stamina being probably one of the most important aspects of the 'meta', head movement is so widely used in the game, as opposed to what you see in UFC fights- because it gives you so many advantages v disadvantages.

Simply put, the risk/reward is off for head movement.

Here is the problem for me. You mentioned how footwork and distance management should be things that have a higher priority and I absolutely agree with you.

The problem is there is a portion of those top level players who dont want that at all. They claim that if you make it any easier to fight from the outside, the meta will devolve into everyone becoming runners and the game turns in to point fighting.

I completely disagree with that. Right now on lower levels (div 4), I'm able to create distance by using footwork, back lunges and side lunges (risky but helps you circle out if constantly pressured. Is it easy, no but I think it shouldnt be really easy when facing constant pressure.

With that said, I wouldnt mind if it was slightly easier but some high level players are against that.

You are suggesting things that while I love, people are not only vocally against
but are suggesting things to make it more difficult. These are top level players.

So who should GPD listen to and why?

[aholbert32]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

We are still discussing this because IMO the game is unplayable online, that is if you are looking for any enjoyment and not want to smash your controller.

Its not unplayable. Lets calm down with the hyperbole. We are having an adult conversation here. Feel free to contribute if you can match the discussion level.

[killakrok]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Its not unplayable. Lets calm down with the hyperbole. We are having an adult conversation here. Feel free to contribute if you can match the discussion level.

To me the game is unplayable, for this reason and a few others that are and aren't related to things discussed in the thread. I stopped playing before the patch, played a bit after the patch, and put it down again.

I enjoyed and played UFC 2 a lot and would like to enjoy playing a game I paid $80+ for, but I'm not.

I'm still interested in it from many different perspectives though.

[johnmangala]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Here is the problem for me. You mentioned how footwork and distance management should be things that have a higher priority and I absolutely agree with you.

The problem is there is a portion of those top level players who dont want that at all. They claim that if you make it any easier to fight from the outside, the meta will devolve into everyone becoming runners and the game turns in to point fighting.

I completely disagree with that. Right now on lower levels (div 4), I'm able to create distance by using footwork, back lunges and side lunges (risky but helps you circle out if constantly pressured. Is it easy, no but I think it shouldnt be really easy when facing constant pressure.

With that said, I wouldnt mind if it was slightly easier but some high level players are against that.

You are suggesting things that while I love, people are not only vocally against
but are suggesting things to make it more difficult. These are top level players.

So who should GPD listen to and why?

Obviously it's not wanted for it to go in the other direction.

Right now it's harder than it was in UFC 2 to maintain distance.

I definitely don't want the game to turn into running marathon. But at the current state the inside game is the meta.

Neither in fighting nor outside fighting should have an advantage. They both should be equal in terms of opportunity.

Right now based on all the footage evidence and experience. Forcing an inside fight is the meta.

Both should be equally viable.

[magx950]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Its not unplayable. Lets calm down with the hyperbole. We are having an adult conversation here. Feel free to contribute if you can match the discussion level.

it's unplayable at the higher end of division 5 upwards, unless you enjoy every match being a slugfest

[johnmangala]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Basically listen to both.

Bring outside fighting on par with inside fighting, without making outside fighting become more effective than inside fighting- not like how inside fighting has the advantage now.

[aholbert32]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Basically listen to both.

Bring outside fighting on par with inside fighting, without making outside fighting become more effective than inside fighting- not like how inside fighting has the advantage now.

How though?

I'm being serious here. Your suggestions would push the meta towards it being more outside friendly (which I like).

One the other hand, we have top players who are saying that the meta is already too outside friendly. They are claiming players are using the back lunge to drain people's stamina and fish for counters. They are saying the exact opposite.

I called one of them on it the other day and they said that the game on Div 5 and higher isnt a slug fest anymore. That its point fighting and they wanted to do things to make it harder to use the back lunge as a way to fight outside.

I cant even get a consensus about what the current meta is on Div 5 and higher. Some say its a "slugfest". Others say its "point fighting".

Which one is it?

[magx950]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

How though?

I'm being serious here. Your suggestions would push the meta towards it being more outside friendly (which I like).

One the other hand, we have top players who are saying that the meta is already too outside friendly. They are claiming players are using the back lunge to drain people's stamina and fish for counters. They are saying the exact opposite.

I called one of them on it the other day and they said that the game on Div 5 and higher isnt a slug fest anymore. That its point fighting and they wanted to do things to make it harder to use the back lunge as a way to fight outside.

I cant even get a consensus about what the current meta is on Div 5 and higher. Some say its a "slugfest". Others say its "point fighting".

Which one is it?

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Quote some people saying it's point fighting

the back lunge does drain too much stamina and it also looks stupid as hell to boot, but I'm EXTREMELY skeptical of the idea that any significant number of high level players is saying the game is about point fighting

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

How though?

I'm being serious here. Your suggestions would push the meta towards it being more outside friendly (which I like).

One the other hand, we have top players who are saying that the meta is already too outside friendly. They are claiming players are using the back lunge to drain people's stamina and fish for counters. They are saying the exact opposite.

I called one of them on it the other day and they said that the game on Div 5 and higher isnt a slug fest anymore. That its point fighting and they wanted to do things to make it harder to use the back lunge as a way to fight outside.

I cant even get a consensus about what the current meta is on Div 5 and higher. Some say its a "slugfest". Others say its "point fighting".

Which one is it?

Who are these top players? Because this is definitely not the case in div 5. Should be pretty easy for these top players to provide video of the massive point fighting fest going on. I must have missed the invite to the party.

[Thetruth11]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

How though?

I'm being serious here. Your suggestions would push the meta towards it being more outside friendly (which I like).

One the other hand, we have top players who are saying that the meta is already too outside friendly. They are claiming players are using the back lunge to drain people's stamina and fish for counters. They are saying the exact opposite.

I called one of them on it the other day and they said that the game on Div 5 and higher isnt a slug fest anymore. That its point fighting and they wanted to do things to make it harder to use the back lunge as a way to fight outside.

I cant even get a consensus about what the current meta is on Div 5 and higher. Some say its a "slugfest". Others say its "point fighting".

Which one is it?

Defensive Point fighting

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[bigvinnylol]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

How though?

I'm being serious here. Your suggestions would push the meta towards it being more outside friendly (which I like).

One the other hand, we have top players who are saying that the meta is already too outside friendly. They are claiming players are using the back lunge to drain people's stamina and fish for counters. They are saying the exact opposite.

I called one of them on it the other day and they said that the game on Div 5 and higher isnt a slug fest anymore. That its point fighting and they wanted to do things to make it harder to use the back lunge as a way to fight outside.

I cant even get a consensus about what the current meta is on Div 5 and higher. Some say its a "slugfest". Others say its "point fighting".

Which one is it?

The top UT guy czarny is incredibly good at this. You can back lunge and it will always count as a slipped strike

[johnmangala]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

How though?

I'm being serious here. Your suggestions would push the meta towards it being more outside friendly (which I like).

One the other hand, we have top players who are saying that the meta is already too outside friendly. They are claiming players are using the back lunge to drain people's stamina and fish for counters. They are saying the exact opposite.

I called one of them on it the other day and they said that the game on Div 5 and higher isnt a slug fest anymore. That its point fighting and they wanted to do things to make it harder to use the back lunge as a way to fight outside.

I cant even get a consensus about what the current meta is on Div 5 and higher. Some say its a "slugfest". Others say its "point fighting".

Which one is it?

Well that's not my intent. I want to bring outside fighting on par with inside fighting.

They can still stick to you like glue even with the slowdown of block. Maybe it should be more pronounced.

UFC 2 had different speeds while blocking and when freely moving. There wasn't much of an issue with outside fighting then.

For one any lunge drains stamina, unlike head movement so the profit stamina can be higher for sways.

Do you have any examples of those who claim it that the game is too outside friendly?

Also I have said before the back lunge has a stamina cost associated with it, so if it is spammed you drain your own stamina.

Maybe increase the stamina drain on back lunges so that it would be on par with whatever changes for head movement.

[aholbert32]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Who are these top players? Because this is definitely not the case in div 5. Should be pretty easy for these top players to provide video of the massive point fighting fest going on. I must have missed the invite to the party.

Some of them are gamechangers. The GCs are all div 5 players except for me and some of them have complained about the strength of the back dash and the ability to basically point fight.

So on both sides, we have people arguing that the meta is something completely different which is a bit confusing.

****, the back dash and movement is my thing on lower levels. 3 out of every 4 fights I get someone to start taunting simply because i counter strike most of the time and they hate it.

[Serengeti1]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Some of them are gamechangers. The GCs are all div 5 players except for me and some of them have complained about the strength of the back dash and the ability to basically point fight.

So on both sides, we have people arguing that the meta is something completely different which is a bit confusing.

****, the back dash and movement is my thing on lower levels. 3 out of every 4 fights I get someone to start taunting simply because i counter strike most of the time and they hate it.

There are aspects about outfighting and inside fighting that are broken. The inside fighting problems are more problematic imo and for most of the community tho