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  • AlEx3KillA
    Banned
    • Mar 2018
    • 224

    #316
    Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

    Its just not Fair that strikes take stamina away and slipping dont,is unfair and not balanced

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    • Find_the_Door
      Nogueira connoisseur
      • Jan 2012
      • 4051

      #317
      Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

      Originally posted by AlEx3KillA
      lol in real life you slip 2-3 times try standing still and slip for 1 minute and you wil see

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      I real life that example isn't practical and it doesn't happen in game either. You'd use a wide array of tools in real life.
      Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira - UFC Hall of Fame

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      • AlEx3KillA
        Banned
        • Mar 2018
        • 224

        #318
        Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

        Originally posted by Find_the_Door
        I real life that example isn't practical and it doesn't happen in game either. You'd use a wide array of tools in real life.
        Indeed ingame they spam head movement like 1000 times in a fight without stamina tax....look at ufc 2 with the stamina tax people used head movements in a more respectfull and smart way.Its up to the devs to make the game balanced and add punishments for who likes to cheese

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        • bmlimo
          MVP
          • Apr 2016
          • 1123

          #319
          Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

          I don’t think stamina taxes are a great solution too...
          The right way to fix sways it’s by hurting them as sways have high vulnerability.
          I think movement sways are ok... the real problem is the stationary... there some moves in it that makes impossible to hit, the counters are devasting from there and some opponent strikes aren’t registered when landed(body kick in a stationary duck for example)...
          So fix the stationary and put foot work to play a bigger role... lunges work fine to create distance but I always feel that i am running when abuse it

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          • Freshly Baked Gregg
            Pro
            • Jan 2018
            • 605

            #320
            Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

            Originally posted by bmlimo
            I don’t think stamina taxes are a great solution too...

            The right way to fix sways it’s by hurting them as sways have high vulnerability.

            I think movement sways are ok... the real problem is the stationary... there some moves in it that makes impossible to hit, the counters are devasting from there and some opponent strikes aren’t registered when landed(body kick in a stationary duck for example)...

            So fix the stationary and put foot work to play a bigger role... lunges work fine to create distance but I always feel that i am running when abuse it


            Yeah sometimes I notice head movement avoids body kicks.


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            • Phillyboi207
              Banned
              • Apr 2012
              • 3159

              #321
              Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

              Originally posted by Find_the_Door
              No I'm not? Why is it that people are so quick to jump to conclusions? I hate the "spam" just as much as the next guy.

              I also despise false accusations. I do not spam at all. If I did I'd get knocked clean often as I use 85 chin Minotauro.

              I also am pretty good at forecasting the effect of impending requested changes to a Meta and that's all I'm doing here. You have to see the bigger picture.
              Which is what exactly?

              How does a small penalty especially for chained sways hurt the meta?

              Footwork needs to also be improved but right now head movement is ridiculous and every single fighter is used the same in the stand up

              Edit: went back and read your original comment

              Head movement definitely shouldnt be your go to defense when rocked. Outside of level changes we rarely see it.

              Footwork needs to be made a priority. Im still waiting for proof that the AI can use it well. Barbosa/ Stephen Thompson couldnt keep me off of them on legendary and I used guys with low footwork
              Last edited by Phillyboi207; 03-08-2018, 06:42 AM.

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              • AlEx3KillA
                Banned
                • Mar 2018
                • 224

                #322
                Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                Originally posted by bmlimo
                I don’t think stamina taxes are a great solution too...
                The right way to fix sways it’s by hurting them as sways have high vulnerability.
                I think movement sways are ok... the real problem is the stationary... there some moves in it that makes impossible to hit, the counters are devasting from there and some opponent strikes aren’t registered when landed(body kick in a stationary duck for example)...
                So fix the stationary and put foot work to play a bigger role... lunges work fine to create distance but I always feel that i am running when abuse it
                Stamina tax is great becouse strikes and lounges have it so there is no reason moving your head doesnt
                Last edited by AlEx3KillA; 03-08-2018, 07:12 AM.

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                • AlEx3KillA
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 224

                  #323
                  Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                  The strongest punishment to side sway spam is a nice stamina Tax

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                  • dfab14
                    Rookie
                    • Jun 2016
                    • 229

                    #324
                    Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                    Originally posted by MMA Damage
                    Footwork is the first line of defense in real life. Not here since people can stick to you effortlessly. Use a lunge and you get away for a split second at best before they're right back on you.
                    I feel like there isn't a delay oin the lunges that use L1 and the right stick there is when you use the left stick but also when you use the left stick you can keep your block up and lunge

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                    • AlEx3KillA
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2018
                      • 224

                      #325
                      Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                      This game will never be balanced if we dont get the stamina loss on head movement is like if some strike had no stamina loss lets leave that there.Game is a rabbit party with people using head movement in a bad cheesy way
                      Last edited by AlEx3KillA; 03-08-2018, 08:10 AM.

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                      • Find_the_Door
                        Nogueira connoisseur
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 4051

                        #326
                        Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                        After my full tilt melt down tonight playing ranked running into guys that are still initiating cheese offense off of sways - I can admit something has to be done.


                        Now whether that's a tax or better more creative solution idk.


                        Honestly I think that fighters need to have a much lower movement speed in general - fighters are far too active with both strikes and movement (as in left stick footwork) that it doesn't look right.
                        Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira - UFC Hall of Fame

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                        • AlEx3KillA
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2018
                          • 224

                          #327
                          Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                          Originally posted by Find_the_Door
                          After my full tilt melt down tonight playing ranked running into guys that are still initiating cheese offense off of sways - I can admit something has to be done.


                          Now whether that's a tax or better more creative solution idk.


                          Honestly I think that fighters need to have a much lower movement speed in general - fighters are far too active with both strikes and movement (as in left stick footwork) that it doesn't look right.
                          Stamina Tax is the only way just like in UFC 2 other solutions are too hard for the devs and will make the problem bigger or last longer

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                          • Serengeti1
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2016
                            • 1720

                            #328
                            Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                            Originally posted by Serengeti95
                            I'm not sure how you can say this when everyone in ranked abuses it. You can't fight on the outside normally because all the other guy does is looks to sway the jab by spamming sways on the outside. It's so ****ing silly lol. Like playing these dudes makes me want to slam my head against a wall.

                            The only thing I've found to be somewhat effective in hitting their head while fighting on the outside is to throw a jab completely out of range with no intention of hitting them (just to cover distance quickly) and then throwing a hook or an upper predicting where they're going to sway. Which also often doesn't rock them or hurt them much because the vulnerability on sways is broken. The reason I have to throw the jab out of range is because if they sway it I get frozen and can't follow up with the rear hand to counter their head movement.

                            Duck/upper is actually more powerful than ever and here's why. Before you could punish it easier by swaying and then throwing two hooks. That doesn't work anymore. Only one lands. So with single strikes off head movement being the new meta..... What's the most powerful strike? The uppercut. What evades the most strikes? The duck.

                            Originally posted by Serengeti95
                            I feel like this is a really good post so I'm going to quote it again to make sure GPD reads it. Body kick him? Nope. Body kicks suck and even if it works once... The second time is going to be way riskier. You also have to throw it naked because if the jab is swayed you freeze and can't throw a follow up. Naked body kicks are much easier to read. You can throw a naked leg kick but they're also not the best to throw naked. It's the best option though. But a good player will start checking them anyway and you'll still experience the same issues when trying to go to the head.

                            Regardless of all this.... I shouldn't feel forced to go to the body or legs anyway. Are there work arounds? Sure. Does it change that head movement is being exploited and is unbalanced? No. The way leading with a jab works in this game is just really bad.
                            These two posts have basically summed up why the outside fighting is often playing like trash in ranked (if your opponent isn't forcing an inside fight). What I have noticed is it's rarer for your opponent to force an inside fight the whole time. Not because it's more difficult. Just because inside fighting is less effective now that you only really get one punch off a slip counter.

                            I've spoken about the vulnerability on sways vs the effectiveness of sway counters but these posts articulate what the problem is with outside fighting and the jab. I want you guys to read this and go into ranked and try and lead with the jab often (as you should be able to do) so you can see what I mean. See how often it gets you in trouble and it gets swayed. Posts also explain why duck/upper is now more OP.

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                            • Sivo
                              Rookie
                              • May 2016
                              • 428

                              #329
                              Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                              Headmovement irl becomes more effective the lower the oppositions stamina go's(as the opponents strikes slow headmovement becomes more effective) this is how it is irl,
                              u dont see ppl in the first round doing headmovement because its too risky not because it drains stamina but because the other person is fresh and has fast hands which are very difficult to slip.
                              I dont have a fix for this but i dont get the stamina tax thing, surely we need higher vulnerability for the headmovement player if the opponents stamina is still high

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                              • bmlimo
                                MVP
                                • Apr 2016
                                • 1123

                                #330
                                Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

                                Originally posted by Find_the_Door
                                After my full tilt melt down tonight playing ranked running into guys that are still initiating cheese offense off of sways - I can admit something has to be done.


                                Now whether that's a tax or better more creative solution idk.


                                Honestly I think that fighters need to have a much lower movement speed in general - fighters are far too active with both strikes and movement (as in left stick footwork) that it doesn't look right.
                                The main thing to change is movement, if footwork play a big role in each fighter u can manage distance and the sway isnt gonna OP since outside control beat sways....but if don’t change... I would say stationary sway need a hard tweak and movement sway should slow the step speed... also sway should freeze the stamina like if keep striking and swayng u stamina has to regenerate slower

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