The strongest punishment to side sway spam

[Phillyboi207]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

My point is that the issue is people who use sways a lot have an advantage, correct? The reason they have an advantage is because sway strikes do a lot of damage and the vulnerability registers at a higher rate than it does when you hit someone while they're swaying into your strike.

Tweaking the stamina will not change this fact whatsoever. It will just mean they can sway slightly less. A lot of these guys are just swaying once before a strike anyway. So to have any meaningful impact on the issue... you'd have to make head movement drain stamina SIGNIFICANTLY. Which would then for sure hinder the game more than help it.

Get me?

A lot of that advantage has to do with stamina

They dodge you and you lose a ton of stamina

When you hit them out of their sway they dont lose any stamina only you do. That creates the disparity.

If they kept fishing for the sway their stamina would slowly drain and they’d be easier to rock and do less damage in subsequent rounds.

If they dont fish but they just react and use head movement/counters effectively then they’re obviously just really good

[MMA Damage]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I don't know if I've had to explain this to you already, but I think it's the second time. Again, it isn't just the forum that is the majority of the player base. There is a number of users on here who voice their opinions and the negative ones shine. When someones happy with the game they aren't here praising it they're playing it. It's your opinion the release was terrible and that's an objective fact.

Im talking about the original EA forums not this one. Not all the negative ones shine. There's plenty of posts they ignore here. My opinion yet everyone has been here asking for a patch since day one right? Lol

[Serengeti1]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Well you seem to ignore the fact of depleting stamina is one of the most effective strategies irl. They lose power, speed, accuracy etc. So it would affect that fact.

Increasing vulerablity certainly helps no doubt. Which is why I am campaigning for it all. We don't need to drop one to put the other on a pedastal. They are all important.

They wouldn't lose enough stamina for it to solve the problem. Duck/upper is OP even with literally the least amount of stamina you can have on the game. Try it out. Gas yourself completely. Hold high block. And pick your timing with duck/upper. See how effective it is.

I'm for what you're saying but making it the main topic of the thread (which implies it's the priority) isn't very helpful imo. That said, I agree it should be added.

[johnmangala]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I wish you could play against the AI that only tries to maintain distance.

It's so easy, and so frustrating to play against.

It's not hard to maintain distance at all.

It's hard to create distance.

The AI isnt the problem here.

I have played against the skilled defense AI. It is very good at it. But it is programmed to do that. I try my best to apply those things to my game.

It's just not the same how people play online. They really are ingenious.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I wish you could play against the AI that only tries to maintain distance.

It's so easy, and so frustrating to play against.

It's not hard to maintain distance at all.

It's hard to create distance.

Tell me which fighters and I will literally record myself playing against them on legendary

[Serengeti1]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

A lot of that advantage has to do with stamina

They dodge you and you lose a ton of stamina

When you hit them out of their sway they dont lose any stamina only you do. That creates the disparity.

If they kept fishing for the sway their stamina would slowly drain and they’d be easier to rock and do less damage in subsequent rounds.

If they dont fish but they just react and use head movement/counters effectively then they’re obviously just really good

That just isn't true man. It has a bit to do with it.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Tell me which fighters and I will literally record myself playing against them on legendary

None of them do it to the degree that I've experienced. It was dialed back considerably because it was too effective and honestly not fun to play against at all.

But Thompson or Machida are likely the closest thing, especially when they are hurt.

I'm not sure the current state of it compared to what I'm talking about.

The AI was nerfed quite a bit.

[Serengeti1]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Tell me which fighters and I will literally record myself playing against them on legendary

He's actually right. Play Barboza on legendary. Nobody plays like that online though. And I mean literally not one person can do that. lol. If they can I've never seen them. The AI is programmed to react to what you're doing the moment you do it. It's not exactly a fair example.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

A lot of that advantage has to do with stamina

They dodge you and you lose a ton of stamina

When you hit them out of their sway they dont lose any stamina only you do. That creates the disparity.

If they kept fishing for the sway their stamina would slowly drain and they’d be easier to rock and do less damage in subsequent rounds.

If they dont fish but they just react and use head movement/counters effectively then they’re obviously just really good

You make some good points here.

One thing one of the game changers asked for is a stamina penalty for ineffective head movement only.

I really like that from a game balanced standpoint, but it feels odd from a realism standpoint.

But it might be worth considering.

[johnmangala]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

They wouldn't lose enough stamina for it to solve the problem. Duck/upper is OP even with literally the least amount of stamina you can have on the game. Try it out. Gas yourself completely. Hold high block. And pick your timing with duck/upper. See how effective it is.

I'm for what you're saying but making it the main topic of the thread (which implies it's the priority) isn't very helpful imo. That said, I agree it should be added.

It's not the main topic. It's just the most obvious issue, in terms of realism. Head movement is taxing in real life.

Vulerability in real life isn't a binary thing, it's very circumstantial. But in this game its made to be more consistent, as it should be.

Vulerability needs to be increased no doubt, and the hit detection. I am for all of it, there's no priority for me, I want vulerablity increased, lunges with no delay, and a slight stamina tax for realism and balance.

[Serengeti1]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

It's not the main topic. It's just the most obvious issue, in terms of realism. Head movement is taxing in real life.

Vulerability in real life isn't a binary thing, it's very circumstantial. But in this game its made to be more consistent, as it should be.

Vulerability needs to be increased no doubt, and the hit detection. I am for all of it, there's no priority for me, I want vulerablity increased, lunges with no delay, and a slight stamina tax for realism and balance.

Okay, fair play. The fact that you freeze every time someone slips something is also a problem (recovery frames issue).

[johnmangala]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Okay, fair play. The fact that you freeze every time someone slips something is also a problem (recovery frames issue).

I agree, we need to bring more attention to the background issues.

People are aware of the stamina tax issue now and vulerablity.

I think things like this recovery frame and lunges without delay need some more attention.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

You make some good points here.

One thing one of the game changers asked for is a stamina penalty for ineffective head movement only.

I really like that from a game balanced standpoint, but it feels odd from a realism standpoint.

But it might be worth considering.

Hallelujah!!! In Geoff we trust!!! Bro run for president in 2020.

If you want to fix the realism aspect give regular sways the landed jab stamina tax so it’s something lol

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Okay, fair play. The fact that you freeze every time someone slips something is also a problem (recovery frames issue).

You don't freeze. You can slip and even block.

You just can't land a follow up strike within a certain window to give the counter strike a chance to land.

[kush land]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Okay, fair play. The fact that you freeze every time someone slips something is also a problem (recovery frames issue).

Is this true if its does it apply to blocking a strike or lunges or making them just miss by moving away?


It should be applied to all missed strikes if it isn't