UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

Just a want but it'd be great if they can add Tony Ferguson's walkout song in. The Party Has Just Begun by Freestyle, can't be too hard to afford, right? I hope they try to add as many songs that a fighter actually uses consistently and aren't too famous or hard to obtain the rights for. I love that 300 Violin Orchestra (Belfort) is in, by the way, Woodley's too!

Oh, and I'd love for the one Khabib uses since 229 to be added.

Funny you mention this. I'm working on a documentary (as a lawyer) and we are licensing music. So we are trying to license a number of hip hop songs and are using no more than 1 minute of each. There is a song similar in popularity to the Freestyle song. Wanna guess how much it cost to license it?

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75k to 100k

I was shocked. That was wayyyyyyy over what i thought it would cost. I've discovered music licensing is difficult in other ways too. Lets say you and I wrote a song and we both own 50% of the publishing rights. EA approaches us about using the song in a UFC game. You agree and I dont because I dont want to have our song appear in a violent game....that means EA cant use the song. Everyone has to buy in.

Think about how that works for songs that have 7-8 writers.

[Kingslayer04]

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Funny you mention this. I'm working on a documentary (as a lawyer) and we are licensing music. So we are trying to license a number of hip hop songs and are using no more than 1 minute of each. There is a song similar in popularity to the Freestyle song. Wanna guess how much it cost to license it?

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75k to 100k

I was shocked. That was wayyyyyyy over what i thought it would cost. I've discovered music licensing is difficult in other ways too. Lets say you and I wrote a song and we both own 50% of the publishing rights. EA approaches us about using the song in a UFC game. You agree and I dont because I dont want to have our song appear in a violent game....that means EA cant use the song. Everyone has to buy in.

Think about how that works for songs that have 7-8 writers.

Wow, that's some great insight!

100k is just a number to me though, I don't know what kind of money the EA UFC guys have to work with overall and particularly when it comes to music. Like, I don't know how many 100k songs like that they can afford. But apparently it's quite a lot, judging by your reaction. I can still mention what I want and hope it makes it in, though . I remember wanting the Woodley song for UFC 3 and it got in and that's pretty great (not implying that me wanting it in caused it to be in). But I think I did voice that once.

On that note, I've expressed my strong dislike for the dross that served as game soundtrack for 3, hopefully we get actual music this time around, whether it's predominantly rap or not. The ability to change tracks in the menu actually has to make it in — in FIFA that's the touchpad.

https://youtu.be/HLEn5MyXUfE

This song was used in the promos for UFC 221 and it's rock and I doubt anyone can claim it causes them headaches or anything such. And it's actually good music. I wonder if songs that the UFC has used in real life would actually be easier to license for the game.

[TheRizzzle]

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Funny you mention this. I'm working on a documentary (as a lawyer) and we are licensing music. So we are trying to license a number of hip hop songs and are using no more than 1 minute of each. There is a song similar in popularity to the Freestyle song. Wanna guess how much it cost to license it?

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75k to 100k

I was shocked. That was wayyyyyyy over what i thought it would cost. I've discovered music licensing is difficult in other ways too. Lets say you and I wrote a song and we both own 50% of the publishing rights. EA approaches us about using the song in a UFC game. You agree and I dont because I dont want to have our song appear in a violent game....that means EA cant use the song. Everyone has to buy in.



Think about how that works for songs that have 7-8 writers.

That's a lot of pizza.

I think a big want is simply a face lift to presentation during Custom Events. I'm still not convinced we're getting any kind of universe mode, so I'd love if they updated Custom Events to look and feel just like a UFC card.

From the first prelim to the main event, they should really make it a goal to make each individual fight look, sound and feel like it would on a broadcast.

The first prelim is a vastly different animal than the main event. The co-main event is a co-main event. The main and co-main walkouts are always different than the rest of the main card. The prelim walkouts are super fast compared to the main card walkouts (if they are even broadcast at all).

And the crowd is never at full capacity at the beginning of the show. I don't know if this is like how Madden won't allow their games to look like less than a sellout, but this always breaks immersion for me.

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[aholbert32]

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Wow, that's some great insight!

100k is just a number to me though, I don't know what kind of money the EA UFC guys have to work with overall and particularly when it comes to music. Like, I don't know how many 100k songs like that they can afford. But apparently it's quite a lot, judging by your reaction. I can still mention what I want and hope it makes it in, though . I remember wanting the Woodley song for UFC 3 and it got in and that's pretty great (not implying that me wanting it in caused it to be in). But I think I did voice that once.

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Its actually the opposite. There are 3 kinds of songs on the UFC 3 in-game soundtrack: songs 100% owned by EA (created by their music team or independent contractors), new songs that EA licenses from a lable to promote and popular songs like Chuck Liddell and Anderson Silva's DMX walkout songs.

The first group costs EA very little. The second group cost EA more than the first because the label sees this as a way to promote their artist. The third group is expensive as hell as you can see from the price i was quoted.

I'm not a video game exec but lets throw around some numbers. Lets say the development cost of EA UFC was 40 million (Seems about right for a AAA sports game that isnt NBA 2k or Madden). Now EA isnt likely to do this but lets say the music budget is 5% of the total budget. So that means you have 2 million to spend on music.

Now if a song like the one by Freestyle costs you 75k to 100k (assuming costs are the same for video games as they are in movies), you can bet that "Aint No Sunshine" by DMX or "Right Above it" by Lil Wayne and Drake (Cormier's walkout song) will cost much more than that.

It all comes down to what EA chooses to use its budget on. I would rather they use that money toward more mo cap and other things that are more directly related to the game.

[aholbert32]

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This song was used in the promos for UFC 221 and it's rock and I doubt anyone can claim it causes them headaches or anything such. And it's actually good music. I wonder if songs that the UFC has used in real life would actually be easier to license for the game.

No it doesnt. Licensing a song for use in a promo/commercial that will likely only air a few times is more expensive than permanently adding it to a game.

[Kingslayer04]

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Its actually the opposite. There are 3 kinds of songs on the UFC 3 in-game soundtrack: songs 100% owned by EA (created by their music team or independent contractors), new songs that EA licenses from a lable to promote and popular songs like Chuck Liddell and Anderson Silva's DMX walkout songs.

The first group costs EA very little. The second group cost EA more than the first because the label sees this as a way to promote their artist. The third group is expensive as hell as you can see from the price i was quoted.

I'm not a video game exec but lets throw around some numbers. Lets say the development cost of EA UFC was 40 million (Seems about right for a AAA sports game that isnt NBA 2k or Madden). Now EA isnt likely to do this but lets say the music budget is 5% of the total budget. So that means you have 2 million to spend on music.

Now if a song like the one by Freestyle costs you 75k to 100k (assuming costs are the same for video games as they are in movies), you can bet that "Aint No Sunshine" by DMX or "Right Above it" by Lil Wayne and Drake (Cormier's walkout song) will cost much more than that.

It all comes down to what EA chooses to use its budget on. I would rather they use that money toward more mo cap and other things that are more directly related to the game.

Oh, absolutely, these are just wants. I know the budget isn't unlimited. As you can see I'm asking for more obscure songs though, not really famous ones. If they can make it in that'd be great. I've actually removed the default crap and have enabled all of the EA Tracks to be eligible for active soundtrack so that no one song gets repeated ad hominem, not to mention they're much better anyway.

[SMOKEZERO]

UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

TBH they could skip the walkouts/songs all together and start at the tale of the tape screen if it meant budget for better gameplay. Anik could have also skipped all the intros and worked on in ring commentary... speaking of, I hope they scrap Rogan and got someone else in the booth for color. I will be super bummed if his generic, recycled dialogue is used yet again if he refused to record more lines.

WANT - a greatest fights/rivalry mode similar to the fight night series, that covers the 25 years of the company. The guy that does the trailers can work his magic to create short highlight trailers of these past events/fights and there is a ton of pre existing audio already to mix over them. During the fight its self there’s more production value a-la UFC 2’s Lawler/MacDonald intro minus the hand holding. Have a series of challenges within the fight for unlocks - fighter(s)/alt fight kits

WANT - Crossing my fingers the UFC and Reebok unveils new fight kits for MSG, and EA implements it... the current attire in UFC 4 would be a fail. I personally liked the 1.5 version of the kits and was bummed we never got the color splash for UFC 2. UFC 3 kits look like someone added bleach to the dark load.


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[Kingslayer04]

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TBH they could skip the walkouts/songs all together and start at the tale of the tape screen if it meant budget for better gameplay. Anik could have also skipped all the intros and worked on in ring commentary... speaking of, I hope they scrap Rogan and got someone else in the booth for color. I will be super bummed if his generic, recycled dialogue is used yet again if he refused to record more lines.

WANT - a greatest fights/rivalry mode similar to the fight night series, that covers the 25 years of the company. The guy that does the trailers can work his magic to create short highlight trailers of these past events/fights and there is a ton of pre existing audio already to mix over them. During the fight its self there’s more production value a-la UFC 2’s Lawler/MacDonald intro minus the hand holding. Have a series of challenges within the fight for unlocks - fighter(s)/alt fight kits

WANT - Crossing my fingers the UFC and Reebok unveils new fight kits for MSG, and EA implements it... the current attire in UFC 4 would be a fail. I personally liked the 1.5 version of the kits and was bummed we never got the color splash for UFC 2. UFC 3 kits look like someone added bleach to the dark load.


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I don't really like your idea about skipping cutscenes though I get the logic behind it but the other two sound good to me. I also disagree about them omitting the current kits. Why not just add the previous style as an option to choose from? They should also add the Interim Champ shorts, gold on blue for Poirier looked awesome.

[TheRizzzle]

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TBH they could skip the walkouts/songs all together and start at the tale of the tape screen if it meant budget for better gameplay. Anik could have also skipped all the intros and worked on in ring commentary... speaking of, I hope they scrap Rogan and got someone else in the booth for color. I will be super bummed if his generic, recycled dialogue is used yet again if he refused to record more lines.

WANT - a greatest fights/rivalry mode similar to the fight night series, that covers the 25 years of the company. The guy that does the trailers can work his magic to create short highlight trailers of these past events/fights and there is a ton of pre existing audio already to mix over them. During the fight its self there’s more production value a-la UFC 2’s Lawler/MacDonald intro minus the hand holding. Have a series of challenges within the fight for unlocks - fighter(s)/alt fight kits

WANT - Crossing my fingers the UFC and Reebok unveils new fight kits for MSG, and EA implements it... the current attire in UFC 4 would be a fail. I personally liked the 1.5 version of the kits and was bummed we never got the color splash for UFC 2. UFC 3 kits look like someone added bleach to the dark load.


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Please don't listen to this man about taking away cut scenes.

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[manliest_Man]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

Needs:

-A proper, classic Fighter Selection Screen, instead of this "Waste 30% of your in-game time trying to find the fighter you want." buggy mess that we have, that glitches out constantly, forcing us to sometimes completely restart the game, due to the freezing/unresponsiveness that leaks left and right. (Jeez I thought EA UFC 1 & 2 were suprisingly bad, but EA UFC 3 takes the cake on the ammount of issues/bugs that come occur during the fighter selection screen)

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-Complete overhaul of the unresponsive Menu and put some work into minimizing, the ammount of time wasted, aka not actually fighting, but rather traversing the game's menu/selecting fighters/selecting their trunks/having a vote on wether to skip an entrance cutscene in online play.

- Have the game remember your past options(like it does on the casual quick fight matchmaking settings), kinda like it did with EA UFC 2 and make it possible to play the mode you were playing the last time, with no more than 2-3 clicks and shorten the animations between each of those clicks, make it snappy and responsive...

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I mean currently, you start up the game, you got unskippable cutscenes, then you got to press Start(long 2-3 sec transition animation), Press any Button(long transition animation). Then click R1 twice(each one slow cool looking, but time-wasting animations, then navigate to the left, select Quick Match, then select between Online or Friends Invite... Everything followed by a stupid 30 fps animation... You get the point.


At this point, if you look at any of the 3 EA UFC games' menus, they are designed to tell us customers: "Hey there, don't get your hopes up for this game. This menu represents the ammount of care & effort you can expect from our game. It'll be functional, but slow and full of holes... While the boat will reach it's destination most of the times, expect a few people to drown on the way there and expect to reach it slower than anyone else. "

Wants:

- I wanna be able to customize the real-life fighters' hair/facial hair, based on their real-life counterpart. It gets a bit boring, playing a fighter with the default hair/facial hair, that is representative of the time that the game came out. Considering we have the fighter creation tools, it would be awesome if you could do a quick implementation of the various hair/facial hair styles that fighters have had throughout their careers(obviously only the famous ones) Perhaps integrate these customizations as in-game challenges/requirements in order to be unlocked.

- Perhaps integrate the above option, with having multiple versions of the same fighter ( like Young Mike Tyson or Old Mike Tyson did in EA UFC 2.) Where the younger version will have better overall stats and more athetlic moves on their arsenal, while the older version, will have more technique, higher strikes' levels, but worse stats. Also the young vs old tyson had obviously automatically different looks. One with Hair, other one Bald with the Tribal Face Tattoo.

[mikestanek1]

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I like the post above that mentions editing hair and such for fighters. I agree. While I'm not sure they will let us edit them, what they could do is make various versions on the same fighter. Take Donald Cerrone for example. He's got a new look every few fights. Give us 3 or 4 Cerrone options. Also someone mentioned the horrible menus. Absolutely, mine lag constantly.

A side note, I like how they generally update player records throughout the year...but how the hell did Ronda Rousey manage to have a 12-0 record on this game?!?! I seem to remember her getting absolutely punished by Nunes and rocked by Holm. Should be 12-2.

[Haz____]

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I like the post above that mentions editing hair and such for fighters. I agree. While I'm not sure they will let us edit them, what they could do is make various versions on the same fighter. Take Donald Cerrone for example. He's got a new look every few fights. Give us 3 or 4 Cerrone options. Also someone mentioned the horrible menus. Absolutely, mine lag constantly.

A side note, I like how they generally update player records throughout the year...but how the hell did Ronda Rousey manage to have a 12-0 record on this game?!?! I seem to remember her getting absolutely punished by Nunes and rocked by Holm. Should be 12-2.

The fact that Ronda is 12-0 and can ONLY be picked as Champ is true comedy.

[TheUFCVeteran]

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A side note, I like how they generally update player records throughout the year...but how the hell did Ronda Rousey manage to have a 12-0 record on this game?!?! I seem to remember her getting absolutely punished by Nunes and rocked by Holm. Should be 12-2.

Ronda used to be 12-2, but became an Icon, got her UFC 2 kit and was assigned “prime” stats.

[Haz____]

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Ronda used to be 12-2, but became an Icon, got her UFC 2 kit and was assigned “prime” stats.

Which is hilarious.

None of the other "Icons" are locked in as champs...

Ronda's poor attitude, and the way she ran from the sport after her losses, and still refuses to even talk about or aknowledge them just makes it so funny she is somehow ONLY available as an undefeated champ. Because, of course she is....
*eye roll*


Why does someone whos been retired like 2-3 years have an Icon fighter anyways? Over someone like Big Nog who is an actual MMA Icon deserving of the respect.

I think it's ludicrous she's in the hall of fame already too. It's honestly a joke, and disrepectful the actual OGs.

[Kingslayer04]

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Which is hilarious.

None of the other "Icons" are locked in as champs...

Ronda's poor attitude, and the way she ran from the sport after her losses, and still refuses to even talk about or aknowledge them just makes it so funny she is somehow ONLY available as an undefeated champ. Because, of course she is....
*eye roll*


Why does someone whos been retired like 2-3 years have an Icon fighter anyways? Over someone like Big Nog who is an actual MMA Icon deserving of the respect.

I think it's ludicrous she's in the hall of fame already too. It's honest a joke, and disrepectful the actual OGs.

Come on man, Ronda's a pioneer and had a career full of great performances, to say the least. She was the woman to beat until she got beat. Also, being recognised as a legend does not depend on how long you've been retired for, but your accomplishments, of which Ronda has her share.