UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

The way this is framed is wrong. That sort of scenario works well for surveys for casuals or in game. It's not practical to expect that from forums like this. The root comparison is essential vs unessential.

It's not a practical expectation to think one singular feature would stop anyone from buying a game.. even if you want to frame it as needs = won't buy without, it's the needs on a whole. So yeah if at least 50% or so of the needs aren't met no buy until it hits the discount bin. Stats like balance/accuracy stat are fundamental and are essential.

I couldnt disagree more. In fact, there are several games that I regularly purchase that I skipped versions of simply because they did not have a singular feature.

For example, I buy NBA 2k every year at launch. The one year I didnt buy it was the year they removed multi user franchise mode. That one feature removal caused me to keep my money. When they added it back I bought the series again.

I made a mistake and didnt realize that you've posted in this thread before. So from looking at your post from yesterday, it makes it seem as if a "balance stat" is your only need. Thats the reason why I made my response because it appeared as if you were saying that without a balance stat...you wouldnt buy the game.

I also disagree that this is framed wrong. A need is something that is necessary. If its necessary, I struggle to understand why you would buy the game without it. So maybe you mischaracterized your needs in your previous posts. If you are willing to accept half of them.....maybe the other half or actual wants.

[johnmangala]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

I couldnt disagree more. In fact, there are several games that I regularly purchase that I skipped versions of simply because they did not have a singular feature.

For example, I buy NBA 2k every year at launch. The one year I didnt buy it was the year they removed multi user franchise mode. That one feature removal caused me to keep my money. When they added it back I bought the series again.

I made a mistake and didnt realize that you've posted in this thread before. So from looking at your post from yesterday, it makes it seem as if a "balance stat" is your only need. Thats the reason why I made my response because it appeared as if you were saying that without a balance stat...you wouldnt buy the game.

I also disagree that this is framed wrong. A need is something that is necessary. If its necessary, I struggle to understand why you would buy the game without it. So maybe you mischaracterized your needs in your previous posts. If you are willing to accept half of them.....maybe the other half or actual wants.

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Features like a stat or gameplay. An entire mode is like no ranked, that's more of a module.

Your example is only your experience. I'll try to clarify so there's less misunderstanding.. Do you have proof that people on average would- 'not buy a game they otherwise enjoy over a singular feature (as in functions like stat or gameplay mechanics)'? You're right that it's not framed wrong, but I still think it's framed bad. Because the way it's framed forces a certain narrative. That reinforces my point:

That sort of scenario works well for surveys for casuals or in game. If you want to frame it as needs = won't buy without, that can only be needs on a whole.

So needs vs wants boils down to necessary vs unnecessary. You accepted that a need is necessary/essential. Needs are the plural of that. You already noted I listed other needs earlier. It is not practical at that point then for any singular feature from a list of necessary features to outweigh the rest, that's why I said if at least <50% of them are met I can vote with discounts. Below I added some more needs and wants including from my first post in this thread and some new ones:

Needs
Movement
Speed modifier- L3: Multidirectional sprint + strikes (for example lateral strikes are strikes from square stance). Technique modifier when grappling, faster transitions.
Power modifier- Dpad/Hold: Increased damage/control at the expense of stamina and vulnerability.

Block
Front/side block- L2/+R2: Others have laid out great ways this can be implemented.
Block+Sway- (L2/+R2)+RS: Moves TDD to |R1+R↓ flick| so we can block + sway.

Grappling
Block transition (instead of denials)- R2+RS hold: Denying transitions would be more like blocking a strike than the start stop feel now, shorten recovery frames.
Hold position- Hold: Expand the muscle modifier to all transitions and that's the grappling equivalent. Grip meter replaces grappling health/stamina.
Scramble transition (winner gets the reversal)- (L2/+R2)+RS flick: Win the battle for position with TBS.
Parry (check/catch)- R1+RS+(L2/+R2) flick: Time it and you'll intercept the strike.
360/8 directional transitions- Swoops: More input.

Striking
Shift- strike + R3: Switch mid strike.
360 mobile sways- LS+RS: Sustaining mobile sways.
Feints: strike -> block: Cancel at any point of animation.

Wants
Targeting (aim)- L2+R2+leg kick: Target either leg etc, at least for leg kicks.
Head fighting (sways in clinch and ground)- RS: Battle for head position.
Hand fighting (reaching, wrist/head control, active blocking)- Cancel punch at end of extension and hold: Battle for hand position.

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I'll still buy the game if most of those are met (including balance stat), but just because one of those needs are met it's not gonna override the rest of the progress for me.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

God would I love to use wrestlers and enjoy the grappling. Changes to grappling is a must for me at this point. It’s just not fun nor is it immersive. Takedown windows are so unnatural on top of the grappling system, it just completely turns me off the whole thing. So a new grappling system and get back to basics to make takedown windows like they were in UFC 2. On top of that, I NEED submissions to be more like EA MMA as well.

I know people have said there’s an advantage grappling with this system for people that have higher quality monitors but I wouldn’t doubt there’s also an advantage with having a PS4 Pro too.

A want would be making UT more like it was in UFC 2 as well. It’s awful now and I’m sure they’ve lost a lot of players in that mode compared to last year. I have no clue why they thought we’d want to play as the roster fighters in this mode more than our own CAF.


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[Leosbs]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

WANT:
Separate stats for Leg power, leg speed, hand power and hand speed. If possible also separate left limb from right limb.
The scenarios of fast and/or powerful boxers also having fast and/or powerful kicks(and vice versa) because the power stat is the same for hands and legs is just lame and completely unrealistic.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

WANT:
Separate stats for Leg power, leg speed, hand power and hand speed. If possible also separate left limb from right limb.
The scenarios of fast and/or powerful boxers also having fast and/or powerful kicks(and vice versa) because the power stat is the same for hands and legs is just lame and completely unrealistic.

This is pretty close to a need for me.

[tissues250]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

This is pretty close to a need for me.

@aholbert32, it's been a minute, man! Have you ever seen EA UFC4? I think, you are still a game changer. thanks,

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

@aholbert32, it's been a minute, man! Have you ever seen EA UFC4? I think, you are still a game changer. thanks,

Whats up man. I cant speak about what ive seen or heard until EA officially announces the game and gives me the go ahead.

[Kingslayer04]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

This is just a want but can we get every fighter's full stats uploaded somewhere when the game is released, perhaps the game's website, so we can check them without having to have the game in front of us to do so?

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

This is just a want but can we get every fighter's full stats uploaded somewhere when the game is released, perhaps the game's website, so we can check them without having to have the game in front of us to do so?

There already is one isn't there... wasn't it released prior to the game or was the ovrs only

[Kingslayer04]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

There already is one isn't there... wasn't it released prior to the game or was the ovrs only

Yeah, that was just the overalls.

[FlaccoNumba5]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

WANT:
Separate stats for Leg power, leg speed, hand power and hand speed. If possible also separate left limb from right limb.
The scenarios of fast and/or powerful boxers also having fast and/or powerful kicks(and vice versa) because the power stat is the same for hands and legs is just lame and completely unrealistic.

I’d argue this is a need

[Kingslayer04]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

Need: One and only one stamina bar. However, fighters should still lose stamina at different rates depending on whether they're striking or grappling. But the stamina bar has to be one.

[MacAttack33]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

Need: One and only one stamina bar. However, fighters should still lose stamina at different rates depending on whether they're striking or grappling. But the stamina bar has to be one.

This is a need for sure. It breaks immersion seeing the meter jump just because you switched to grappling or striking.

[Kingslayer04]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

This is a need for sure. It breaks immersion seeing the meter jump just because you switched to grappling or striking.

Yeah, it's an absolute must that all these nonsensical (double bar) or useless (one button to block everything when in Thai Whip) things are gone.

Need: a polished, smooth, well put-together game. No glitches of massive proportions, no clunkiness, no resets, no input delay, no delay when trying to GnP immediately, seamless transition between striking and grappling in general, I'm probably forgetting things, too. But the game has to play smoothly and reliably.

[SMOKEZERO]

Re: UFC 4: Needs vs. Wants

Want-
Edwards vs Dos Anjos - Edwards was able to read flying knees into catching takedowns against RDA. Would like to see this implemented... Not running across the ring full Masvidal style flying knee catch though... keep it real.


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